(;GM[1]FF[4]CA[UTF-8]AP[CGoban:3]ST[2]
RU[NZ]SZ[19]KM[8.00]TM[5400]OT[5x60 byo-yomi]
GN[2008 North American Ing Masters Juyong Koh 7d vs Mingjiu Jiang 7p]PW[Juyong Koh]PB[Mingjiu Jiang]WR[7d]BR[7p]DT[2008-08-05]RO[2]PC[The KGS Go Server at http://www.gokgs.com/]US[Dennis Wheeler]C[USGO1 [-\]: Welcome to the 2008 North American Ing Masters (NAIM) Tournament! Thirty-two top players from North American are competing in the 5-round tournament for $10,000 in prizes. The top boards are being broadcast live by the American Go E-Journal; go news from around the world, free every week via email; sign up at www.usgo.org
Capsule [3d\]: GO MEATLOVER!
SunnyD [3d\]: Audio game?
kilroy [2d\]: yeah, if you turn the sounds on, you can hear the stones hitting the board
ennuistic [1k\]: no audio yet.
]RE[W+5.00]
;B[pd]C[Akagi316 [7k\]: is this round 2?
]
;W[dd]C[ennuistic [1k\]: i believe so.
NoKnott [-\]: yes, Round 2
SunnyD [3d\]: Tell the commentor to quench his thrist with some juice
Akagi316 [7k\]: hmm, didn't mingjiu already win 2 matches?
]
;B[qp]
;W[dq]C[kilroy [2d\]: yeah, at least
uurtamo [8k?\]: hard to imagine that it's round 2, then.
Capsule [3d\]: uurtamo, he is in 2 tournaments :)
USGO1 [-\]: Mingjiu won the nigiri and choose to play black tonight
ennuistic [1k\]: GO15, instead of GO1 for audio commentary
kilroy [2d\]: yeah but I think he's in the open also
Akagi316 [7k\]: oh different tournament
uurtamo [8k?\]: ah, ok.
Akagi316 [7k\]: i see
Akagi316 [7k\]: haha
uurtamo [8k?\]: 'splains.
Akagi316 [7k\]: mingjiu has been doing really great so far
ennuistic [1k\]: and commentary is transcribed rather than audio
]
;B[kq]C[uurtamo [8k?\]: nice!
]
;W[qj]C[uurtamo [8k?\]: i like this big open-board openings.
uurtamo [8k?\]: these*
kilroy [2d\]: well he almost lost that last game, but he made a huge gain in yose
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;B[co]
;W[gq]C[kyuboy [9k\]: hope ming jiu wins
kyuboy [9k\]: hey akagi
kyuboy [9k\]: did mingjiu win both hes games?
yoyoma [1d\]: **** Maeda's comments of this game are in USGO15 ****
Akagi316 [7k\]: yes
kyuboy [9k\]: sweeet
kyuboy [9k\]: this his 3rd?
USGO1 [-\]: Mingjiu places his stones with a firm "clack"
kyuboy [9k\]: yeah
kyuboy [9k\]: really loud
Reborned [1k\]: hey is jie li in the ing or not ?
kyuboy [9k\]: he says
kyuboy [9k\]: how come people in basketball can dunk
kyuboy [9k\]: then i can slam the piece
kyuboy [9k\]: :)
fluffy [3k\]: juyong should slam his piece even harder
YangX [4d\]: Who is Ricky Zhao playing?
kyuboy [9k\]: i dunno :O
haruto31k [-\]: Are any of the USGO people KGS admins/users?
haruto31k [-\]: (regular)
Capsule [3d\]: sure
kyuboy [9k\]: juyong koh
kyuboy [9k\]: was 7d
kyuboy [9k\]: last time i saw him
Capsule [3d\]: F4
Rakeliem [1k\]: has mingjiu won every nigiri?
kyuboy [9k\]: yes
Rakeliem [1k\]: wow
Rakeliem [1k\]: he's lucky
chunga [8d\]: Go Ju Yong!!!
Hagios [4k\]: mingjiu has only had two nigiri, I think.
Extend [5k\]: pros are good at nigiri..
kyuboy [9k\]: ming jiu will win it al
Extend [5k\]: xD
kyuboy [9k\]: :)
HowToLose [5k\]: Get Strong at Nigiri
Hagios [4k\]: US Open has pairings generated
fluffy [3k\]: what is nigiri
Hagios [4k\]: Only ING tournament has nigiri
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;B[ck]C[SunnyD [3d\]: who won the aga director
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;W[qf]
;B[nc]
;W[op]C[kyuboy [9k\]: q6
kyuboy [9k\]: or q7
kyuboy [9k\]: >.>
tanoshi [1d\]: will there be audio commentary?
fluffy [3k\]: he is 7d again
USGO15 [-\]: Come to the cafeteria at the US Go Congress for the audio.  
Rakeliem [1k\]: w making big chcken
sirius45 [10k\]: what is this ><
Capsule [3d\]: this is go
sirius45 [10k\]: xD
Rakeliem [1k\]: this is a ing go game
Rakeliem [1k\]: tourny
uglyboxer [2k\]: can't believe i'm watching this from 1 floor above the commentary
uglyboxer [2k\]: oh, this isn't me
uglyboxer [2k\]: this is Junehog
Richdad [5d\]: is this the game being commented by a pro?
uglyboxer [2k\]: yes
kyuboy [9k\]: junehog :O
kyuboy [9k\]: thats you :O
Rakeliem [1k\]: doesn't look like 
uglyboxer [2k\]: i'm on UB's account
USGO15 [-\]: Comments will be in USGO15
Capsule [3d\]: at least you didnt have to skip a day of congress to attend to classes...im watching this from the library :(
Cova: theres commentary?
uglyboxer [2k\]: lol
Capsule [3d\]: then gotta drive back down tonight.
Capsule [3d\]: then drive back up the day after.
uglyboxer [2k\]: brutal
jsc [14k\]: so you went to congress/
Capsule [3d\]: yes, 15 hours of driving total.
uglyboxer [2k\]: i have 8 minutes to get home
Capsule [3d\]: hehe
jsc [14k\]: i have to go to bed soon
jsc [14k\]: shut up >.>
kyuboy [9k\]: jsc theirs admin
Blockdude [3k\]: lol
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;B[pq]C[kyuboy [9k\]: moderating the game >.>
SunnyD [3d\]: post your personal entries in your own blog please
haruto31k [-\]: he didn't break the ToS
jsc [14k\]: me?
kyuboy [9k\]: tenuki kick?
kyuboy [9k\]: and play like p6?
jsc [14k\]: im so confused.....
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;W[pn]C[negetive [-\]: whats the tos
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;B[oq]
;W[mp]C[yoyoma [1d\]: wow I would never dream Q6
Cova: really?..
USGO1 [-\]: Mingjiu hesitated before playing p3
kyuboy [9k\]: :O
kyuboy [9k\]: he hesitated?
nbhabegger [7k\]: hi
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;B[np]
;W[no]
;B[nq]
;W[mo]C[USGO1 [-\]: yes, he started to play it, then he pulled back to rethink
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;B[mq]C[vinito [16k\]: how long the game last? because I want to go there see them in real person
kyuboy [9k\]: its in seattle
Alenchon [6k\]: Portland, Oregon?
kyuboy [9k\]: oops
kyuboy [9k\]: yeah
USGO1 [-\]: Time limits are 90 minutes basic time, 5 periods of 1 minute byo yomi
Richdad [5d\]: b really low on bottom
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;W[rd]C[vinito [16k\]: oh! I don't think I can make it on time
negetive [-\]: lol
Capsule [3d\]: normal people will play R17, but this is meatlover, so probably he won't play R17.
kyuboy [9k\]: i guess black is behind
flatulator [10k\]: quite a long drive from new zealand =/
kyuboy [9k\]: lol'
Capsule [3d\]: R17-Q12 is the expected sequence
kyuboy [9k\]: can u even drive from there?
Cova: ur car run on water?
krakengo [1k\]: such a flat moyo
vinito [16k\]: poor you! I am nearer. Canada
krakengo [1k\]: b would jump with joy
kyuboy [9k\]: :O
TanGeng [1k?\]: wow
flatulator [10k\]: err, depends what you mean by 'drive', kyuboy
TanGeng [1k?\]: hmm
Richdad [5d\]: q12 might be a bit slow, Capsule: maybe p14 is better
TanGeng [1k?\]: everything is so low
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;B[qc]C[Ukasuhs [1k?\]: mingjiu is meatlover?
]
;W[of]C[Capsule [3d\]: ...
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;B[ql]C[Richdad [5d\]: :)
Capsule [3d\]: no Ukasuhs, the other one.
Richdad [5d\]: oh! daring invasion!
Capsule [3d\]: good call Richdad, but i dont think Q12 is so bad.
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;W[qo]C[Richdad [5d\]: its common to q12 if w were sorrounded by 2 black corners
Richdad [5d\]: ut after getting influence on bottom, beter to size up
Capsule [3d\]: i think B already lacks a good followup
vinito [16k\]: what is the prize?
]
;B[ol]C[Akagi316 [7k\]: n8
Cova: 10k
kyuboy [9k\]: i wad of cash
]
;W[pk]C[vinito [16k\]: how much?
SunnyD [3d\]: run forrest, run
aussiemate [7k\]: to be spent on me
Cova: 10k ............
kyuboy [9k\]: more  1000 at least
kyuboy [9k\]: i mean this is the ing championship :O
USGO1 [-\]: its starting to sound like they are competing for who can click the stone on the board the loudest
kyuboy [9k\]: lol
Cova: 10,000 = 10k
kyuboy [9k\]: jiang ming jiu wins
kyuboy [9k\]: :P
TanGeng [1k?\]: harharhar
Cova: sigh
Richdad [5d\]:  wplaying very simple sequence
Richdad [5d\]: separate, make heavy, then n8
Richdad [5d\]: i cant help thinking b invasion was rush
Richdad [5d\]: w wanted to r5 anyway
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;B[pl]C[wijii [-\]: n8 
Steven1234 [5k\]: Shouldn't this be an easy win for the 7p?
Cova: i thoguht b was simpler
USGO1 [-\]: a gentle but sure placement of that stone
Capsule [3d\]: not really Stevens.
kyuboy [9k\]: nope
kyuboy [9k\]: 7p is pro 7dan
aussiemate [7k\]: yep
Capsule [3d\]: Mingjiu has lost to his fair share of amateurs.
kyuboy [9k\]: doesnt mean 7d is weaker than 7p
wijii [-\]: people have been saying this alot many dans have beaten pros
apachai31k [-\]: theres no easy wins
wijii [-\]: its never easy
kyuboy [9k\]: what apachai said
kyuboy [9k\]: :)
Cova: it only gets harder
Jenghis [2k\]: I notice though that the Pros regularly beat the amatuers : )
DanielFox [2k\]: mingjiu might be a professional squirrelkicker but even a squirrel might ocassional bite your ankle
wijii [-\]: n8 
vinito [16k\]: w has lots of weakness. not strong in defense
Akagi316 [7k\]: b in more trouble right now
kyuboy [9k\]: which leads us all closer to the divine move ..............
Richdad [5d\]: n8 now
kyuboy [9k\]: xD
Rakeliem [1k\]: but it wont defeat you in mortal kombat
Richdad [5d\]: its very unclear what black wins in this fight
Steven1234 [5k\]: Who's the favorite to win the tournament?
Richdad [5d\]: then w will c7 easily
Etheral [?\]: DanielFox! I remember you! Played you a few times back in the days, when you were a mere 30k ^^,
kyuboy [9k\]: no favorite
aussiemate [7k\]: divine move is resign
kyuboy [9k\]: lol
wijii [-\]: n8
apachai31k [-\]: its not really clear what w wins in this fight either
wijii [-\]: maybe w wants a fancy move
Rakeliem [1k\]: Go mingjiu
Rakeliem [1k\]: I think there's a weakness in r12
wijii [-\]: well he will PROBABLY win more than B
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;W[rp]C[Rakeliem [1k\]: and 2 poor white groups
Soromon [1d\]: n7 may be safer, though slow - n8 is too dangerous still
Rakeliem [1k\]: white doesn't like p4 in there
wijii [-\]: hmm wow is this move good?
Rakeliem [1k\]: probably bad
Richdad [5d\]: b is kinda strong on bottom
Richdad [5d\]: so he can consider to play n8
vinito [16k\]: b will capture w small piece by small piece
Soromon [1d\]: white must worry about the safety of his own group before pushing the p8 group around
]
;B[ok]C[Rakeliem [1k\]: Nice move
wijii [-\]: n8 would help w while attacking
aussiemate [7k\]: W is giving B a chance
kyuboy [9k\]: i think he wants to cahse
kyuboy [9k\]: chase*
kyuboy [9k\]: :D
Akagi316 [7k\]: w should have played n8 :/
Soromon [1d\]: until black n7 later splitting white
wijii [-\]: well b must worry about his own group
wijii [-\]: first
wijii [-\]: its unclear dan games ><
Kirby [2k\]: mingjiu is cool
kyuboy [9k\]: yeah
]
;W[oi]C[kyuboy [9k\]: like he gives lessons
kyuboy [9k\]: but so does his brother
Soromon [1d\]: white can r2 now and get life and the whole corner anytime
Kirby [2k\]: i saw him in person, bcause i'm in california
Soromon [1d\]: so *now* he can afford more aggressive moves against black
krakengo [1k\]: P9 is a thick move
kyuboy [9k\]: yeah i take lessons from him ...
Cova: o11 seems similiar to r5 style
kyuboy [9k\]: my sister took lessons from his brother
kyuboy [9k\]: >.<
Cova: r6*
Rakeliem [1k\]: your sister's a man?
kyuboy [9k\]: no...
Etheral [?\]: n8 still strong.....
Etheral [?\]: not as much because of s4 imo but still
kyuboy [9k\]: time please?
apachai31k [-\]: will b supress his greed and not play s3? oo
SunnyD [3d\]: 7:37 PST
kyuboy [9k\]: i meant the game ...........
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;B[rq]C[Jedd [10k\]: How is the weather there in Portland?
wijii [-\]: 10:37 pm here
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;W[pp]
;B[qq]C[Etheral [?\]: hah!
kyuboy [9k\]: i think its nice and dry
SunnyD [3d\]: W's stones aren't doing much
Kael [2d\]: B wants to keep w group floating a little
kyuboy [9k\]: :)
Advanced [1k\]: time for a w powerplay
kyuboy [9k\]: black losing
Advanced [1k\]: m8
Over9k [5k\]: by powerplay do you mean slaming stones daon>
Advanced [1k\]: ya
Over9k [5k\]: down*
Over9k [5k\]: lol
Soromon [1d\]: black has more solid territory - all his stones are working efficiently
USGO1 [-\]: Juyong keeps his arms folded in front of him on the table until he is ready to play
Kael [2d\]: if this was a 2d game on KGS, w would instantly play C7 without thought :) 
Richdad [5d\]: the exchange of p9 p11 makes n8 a
USGO1 [-\]: Mingjiu usually fiddles with a few stones in the bowl
Richdad [5d\]: harder to play
kyuboy [9k\]: akagi check ya pm please
SunnyD [3d\]: Amateur has better table manner
CP3 [11k\]: what's the p in 7p?
Soromon [1d\]: is that Maeda sensei directly? or via a translator?
Etheral [?\]: richdad - could b have wanted w to play n8 after p9 ?
PokaMyoshu [-\]: "P" is for "professional"
AngelC [21k?\]: on USGO15, there is live commentary for this match, provided by Maeda Ryo, 6p. He is aided by a translator
CP3 [11k\]: so he's 7 dan professional?
Richdad [5d\]: sorry etheral i dont get your question
kyuboy [9k\]: yeahe
PokaMyoshu [-\]: 7d ~= 1p
kyuboy [9k\]: :O
Richdad [5d\]: you mean n8 after p9?
Soromon [1d\]: Aha!
Soromon [1d\]: ty
PokaMyoshu [-\]: yes
Etheral [?\]: yes
USGO1 [-\]: Mingjiu Jiang is a Chinese 7-dan professional. He’s the brother of Zhujiu “Jujo” Jiang and the author of Punishing and Correcting Joseki Mistakes, and, with Guo Juan, of All about Joseki as well as co-editor, with his brother, of "Weiqi Technique Encyclopedia." He’s the winner of the Western Section of the 2004, 2006, and 2008 North American Toyota Denso Oza Championships.
PokaMyoshu [-\]: 3p ~= 8d
Richdad [5d\]: well, its not such the obvious move now
Richdad [5d\]: maybe something like m8 would be better
Richdad [5d\]: not so close to b stones
PokaMyoshu [-\]: 6p ~= 9d
Jedd [10k\]: Thanks for typing all that out, USGO1.
PokaMyoshu [-\]: 9p ~= 9d+++
kyuboy [9k\]: dont forget ruinai wei
PokaMyoshu [-\]: ;-)
kyuboy [9k\]: shesh >.>
charkysan [5k\]: i know koh.  he is a very strong amateur whose dad runs a baduk place in b.c.
firefox04 [2k\]: why are he games so late?
Etheral [?\]: i was thinking along those lines - but to people saying B is heavy - he isnt... compact and efficient.
Bruno [1d\]: where is maeda sensei?
USGO1 [-\]: Mingjiu steps out of the room for a quick break
kyuboy [9k\]: usgo1
kyuboy [9k\]: time?
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;W[nm]C[PokaMyoshu [-\]: What are the clock times for this game in RL?
CP3 [11k\]: that P to D conversion seems vagues
CP3 [11k\]: but thanks for the explanation
Soromon [1d\]: o7 protects the cut at p5
Etheral [?\]: o7 seems short and inefficient
PokaMyoshu [-\]: difference between amateur ratings is equal to one stone between each
kyuboy [9k\]: di dont think white is trying to kill
kyuboy [9k\]: right now
wijii [-\]: he cant kill
ennuistic [1k\]: it protects the cut in advance
wijii [-\]: right now
PokaMyoshu [-\]: Professional ratings are about 1/3 stone apart
goclown [?\]: 9dan would lose by resign to 7p plus
charkysan [5k\]: that was just a good shape move.  w knows that b can still run easily enough
USGO1 [-\]: Juyong starts to step out, but returns to look again at the board
Soromon [1d\]: o7 makes eyeshape for white and takes away potential black shape
goclown [?\]: 1-2p are about 9 dan level and 3-5 p are stronger by a bit
PokaMyoshu [-\]: Exactly goclown
charkysan [5k\]: it is a mutual shape point, like a double shape value
wijii [-\]: looks at the board again they have this whole game in their heads crazy
USGO1 [-\]: he points out his move upon Mingjiu's return
charkysan [5k\]: as if Mingjiu wouldn't notice!
charkysan [5k\]: it's polite tho
Jedd [10k\]: Does B's R8 group have to respond to that move?
SunnyD [3d\]: E4!
kayzac [2k\]: i would!
Soromon [1d\]: I think so - can't get sealed in - have to n9 or something light
charkysan [5k\]: it would be prudent to respond, but pros have all kinds of tesuji to live, so he may tenuki anyway
Jedd [10k\]: Indeed.
Jedd [10k\]: Thanks.
wijii [-\]: if i were playing i would respond but im weak
vinito [16k\]: pro are hard to die
apagis [3d\]: i doubt he will tenuki here
charkysan [5k\]: b still has s10 trick to use, but w should know that
MacManus [11k\]: sort of like watching wimbledon-- eventually you just have to smile and enjoy the ride... these guys are waaay above me
WhiteJade [5k\]: a few pros died in the past few years.
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;B[oj]C[GreatPanda [11k\]: wimbledon isn't fun anymore
Jedd [10k\]: Hehe, so true for both of us Mac.
GreatPanda [11k\]: no more net players in the top 16
Etheral [?\]:  i like B's compact approach..
]
;W[pi]C[Cova: same
]
;B[lk]C[MacManus [11k\]: the grass is getting slower.... and I wouldn't dare charge the net on Rafa
vinito [16k\]: and they regret to play go game
kayzac [2k\]: w can make big move now
charkysan [5k\]: b is fine now, but w is cramped
krakengo [1k\]: b success
kayzac [2k\]: tenuki, i think
WhiteJade [5k\]: Can someone tell me what move 38 was?
krakengo [1k\]: big success
RayTomes [1d\]: are these games live or what?
kilroy [2d\]: most of whtie is over concentrated
wijii [-\]: p10 
USGO1 [-\]: Juyong reaches out and centers that stone better on the intersection
kilroy [2d\]: yes live
wijii [-\]: was 38
WhiteJade [5k\]: P10 was 37..
Jedd [10k\]: W play something in upper left?
wijii [-\]: i mean q11 
wijii [-\]: was 38
GreatPanda [11k\]: baseline powerhousing gets lame after a while
RayTomes [1d\]: how come I can't play over the game as normal?
GreatPanda [11k\]: risk getting passed for the volley winner
charkysan [5k\]: b played p10 and w responded with q11
krakengo [1k\]: hard for w to grow on the right now
PokaMyoshu [-\]: It's a Live Demonstration
Owy2001 [6k\]: Ray, because it's a demonstration
here [8k?\]: to review game // see Options -> Clone Game
Richdad [5d\]: blacks invasion looks successful
goclown [?\]: ray: cuase its a demo
PokaMyoshu [-\]: from the Go Congres
Cova: 38 was p11
Millard [17k\]: ooo
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;W[ni]C[Millard [17k\]: so hes just relaying this to us?
Owy2001 [6k\]: Yes.
Etheral [?\]: m9 i think is stronger here than the n9 was earlier
kayzac [2k\]: n9 danger
krakengo [1k\]: oh thick
RayTomes [1d\]: thx
Soromon [1d\]: i'd like to see black respond m7
Musketeer3 [3d\]: m7
aussiemate [7k\]: n8 ?
vinito [16k\]: b play safe mode shape
charkysan [5k\]: now n8 is a mutual shape point
kayzac [2k\]: o8 not so bad
krakengo [1k\]: N8 ugly, would like to avoid
krakengo [1k\]: not so efficient
Etheral [?\]: o5 group doing NOTHING right now
krakengo [1k\]: e.g. w N10 sente
charkysan [5k\]: m7 is less provocative
wijii [-\]: m7 
katori15 [4k\]: ● s10 r9 s9 s11 
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;B[ml]C[kayzac [2k\]: use s6 and s10?
wijii [-\]: m7!!!!
wijii [-\]: :(
katori15 [4k\]: s6 
krakengo [1k\]: can't avoid, so O11 nice
charkysan [5k\]: ha, my first guess was right, does that make me a pro?  :)
MXHero [-\]: nice call charky :)
kyuboy [9k\]: lol
Advanced [1k\]: k5 gogo
MXHero [-\]: and no, that just makes pros 5k sometimes ;)
kayzac [2k\]: at least it makes you a very strong 5k :)
wijii [-\]: why yes yes it does
charkysan [5k\]: since these players seem to like mutual shape points, it's easy to guess when they are consistent like that
Musketeer3 [3d\]: black plays safe
vinito [16k\]: try another guess and c
wijii [-\]: [9p\] so lets see
charkysan [5k\]: b's shape is not a crane's nest, but b is making shape as if it were
]
;W[mm]C[charkysan [5k\]: note that this way w does not yet have 2 definite eyes
fluffy [3k\]: 5k knows much about shape? :)
kayzac [2k\]: w, seems very slow for white
Advanced [1k\]: whats a cranes nest? o_O
gougou [1d\]: this is a frog move
kyuboy [9k\]: u dont know it :O
Advanced [1k\]: no idea
gougou [1d\]: one move back two moves forward
Over9k [5k\]: what's atari?
kyuboy [9k\]: :O
Musketeer3 [3d\]: wow, wijii is 9p
charkysan [5k\]: a 5k can know something about shape if he has read a pro book on shape (and still play badly like a kyu)
Advanced [1k\]: i just blitz all my games
wijii [-\]: whats go
Advanced [1k\]: :D
fluffy [3k\]: which book?
vinito [16k\]: frog move is very tricky
kyuboy [9k\]: (>._.)>
GreatPanda [11k\]: 1up 
fluffy [3k\]: you can pm me if that's better
Advanced [1k\]: <-- seriously doesnt know shapes - but I guess this one is a bit too obvious so i'll go look it up on google
SunnyD [3d\]: zoo is that way ------->
kayzac [2k\]: i think this is an elephant's attack. 
fluffy [3k\]: you probably know it..just not the name
Advanced [1k\]: oh
Hylebos [4k\]: Elephant's Attack?
fluffy [3k\]: wth is elephant's attack..lol
Kita [3k\]: advanced: do you know sensei's?
Over9k [5k\]: lol
Rakeliem [1k\]: lol
Advanced [1k\]: nope
Hylebos [4k\]: Like the move in xiangqi?
Rakeliem [1k\]: lol
Kita [3k\]: senseis.xmp.net
kayzac [2k\]: slow move prepares for very strong attack
Kita [3k\]: it's a go wiki
Over9k [5k\]: shoot the elephant int he eye
Rakeliem [1k\]: um
Kita [3k\]: better than google
Advanced [1k\]: ^^
krakengo [1k\]: just charge the group head on ?
Kita [3k\]: =\]
fluffy [3k\]: hey where is that 5k shape guy
JpKitten [7k\]: xD
Advanced [1k\]: they may know their shapes...
Advanced [1k\]: but they self atari in game
GreatPanda [11k\]: Kitten
Advanced [1k\]: bwahahaha
kayzac [2k\]: y. maybe k9
Rakeliem [1k\]: .
MXHero [-\]: lol
Over9k [5k\]: lol
JpKitten [7k\]: >=)
kayzac [2k\]: if tenuki
krakengo [1k\]: b's shape is not so good
krakengo [1k\]: fix
flatulator [10k\]: mm now i'm confused..  so what's a buffalo orgy?
JpKitten [7k\]: M7  =)
wijii [-\]: self atari is very strongi dont know what your talking about
vinito [16k\]: hey this shape i was it on youtube
Blockdude [3k\]: inappropriate
charkysan [5k\]: you want obvious?  n7 is obvious, hane at head of stones, but it will only make w stronger, so b may not
Advanced [1k\]: m7*
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;B[kl]C[wijii [-\]: well charky it makes w stronger but b stronger too its a trade
krakengo [1k\]: good
Advanced [1k\]: woot
Rakeliem [1k\]: ko
wijii [-\]: what the heck is this i never thought of this
krakengo [1k\]: M7 L8
MXHero [-\]: here the hane isn't so great because w m6 makes good shape
krakengo [1k\]: so L8 first
krakengo [1k\]: reciprocal kosumi :)
Rakeliem [1k\]: ming jiu special attack
USGO1 [-\]: Mingjiu sucks air through his teeth as he plays this
kayzac [2k\]: see, b respond again. no tenuki. now w play big elsewhere
charkysan [5k\]: l8 gets b out into center nicely, while preparing for m7 at the right moment
krakengo [1k\]: :)
krakengo [1k\]: aaaah he fixed shape
krakengo [1k\]: such a delight
Hylebos [4k\]: Kayzac, Important moves before big moves.
Advanced [1k\]: w cannot tenuki..
Over9k [5k\]: b2bomber is the ultimate shape
wijii [-\]: k5 
Advanced [1k\]: ultimate shape is atari in any form
Advanced [1k\]: just keep atari the opponent and you win
Advanced [1k\]: :D
Jedd [10k\]: Was B's initial invasion on the right a good idea, considering what became of it?
uurtamo [8k?\]: w needs eyes.
Over9k [5k\]: famicom>>atari
Hylebos [4k\]: Even self atari advanced?
Godevil [5k\]: geez, i have no clue what these ppl r doing
Durgrim [3k\]: Are they play two game ?
mdf116 [3k\]: k 6 seems good
hitzsu [20k\]: hmmm
Advanced [1k\]: yeah, i lost a game earlier doing that
hitzsu [20k\]: k7 imo
uurtamo [8k?\]: m6, i think.
here [8k?\]: is Ryo Maeda 6P commenting this game somewhere?..  as in usgo journal.
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;W[jn]C[uurtamo [8k?\]: huh.
krakengo [1k\]: good call
wijii [-\]: darn missed it by 1
hitzsu [20k\]: nicely  called
krakengo [1k\]: it anticipates M7 smoothly
MaLa [2k\]: @here just look at USGO15 game
here [8k?\]: muchas gracias
Analysis [1k\]: Go Juyong Go!
kayzac [2k\]: seems b come out ok here, jedd.
vinito [16k\]: r there any beautiful girl playing in the tournament
uurtamo [8k?\]: ah, now i see.
Jedd [10k\]: Thanks kay.
mdf116 [3k\]: only a good call if it works 
GreatPanda [11k\]: sacchan
uurtamo [8k?\]: it's smarter than the slow play, and protects/extends later.
krakengo [1k\]: but L6 problem ? count on L4 ?
kayzac [2k\]: u agree?
wijii [-\]: l6 doesnt seem like a problem
Analysis [1k\]: Did Juyong win his second match?
ketchup [5k\]: this is the second match i thought..
uurtamo [8k?\]: m6 makes the second eye.
Jedd [10k\]: It seems like he did a good job of forcing W to do his bidding, and his position on the board considering that W was taking the whole right side seems to have come out pretty good.
ketchup [5k\]: unless  you meant for us open or something.
mdf116 [3k\]: tenuki
uurtamo [8k?\]: so it's all safe.
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;B[kc]C[Analysis [1k\]: oh sorry i didn't realize this isn't open
MXHero [-\]: wow, i would never play that move but it makes so much sense
krakengo [1k\]: so solid
USGO1 [-\]: a resounding clack
vinito [16k\]: b is a simple man without vicious intention
mdf116 [3k\]: n10 
MXHero [-\]: d16 looks really strange now
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;W[mj]
;B[mk]C[wijii [-\]: l17 i would think its too slow
uurtamo [8k?\]: d16 is fine.
wijii [-\]: oh gosh these 7ps
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;W[cm]C[wijii [-\]: too good
Jedd [10k\]: Gah
Jedd [10k\]: More fighting.
Jedd [10k\]: Hehe
uurtamo [8k?\]: it's the only thing facing the center of the board over there.
uurtamo [8k?\]: it's fine.
krakengo [1k\]: interesting
Hylebos [4k\]: Whats wrong with fighting?  :)
Etheral [?\]: lets all just; in union; agree that we dont really know what is going on here.
kayzac [2k\]: we will see if w can make hay out of the p8 stones ... if w makes little, then i thick its safe to call b's invasion a wild success
aussiemate [7k\]: W is persistent, isn't he!
inin [3d\]: anyone know any website that has info about this tourney?
Jedd [10k\]: Nothing.  W has cajones.
Analysis [1k\]: juyong is unbeatable
TanGeng [1d?\]: cagjones?
mdf116 [3k\]: black needs wall so b 7 works well
vinito [16k\]: w is over confident and rush a lot
wijii [-\]: cajones is balls
Advanced [1k\]: w cannot win
TanGeng [1d?\]: this is natural since there's a heavy weak group on the board
aussiemate [7k\]: are you Irish?
kayzac [2k\]: c7 looks powerful to me
flatulator [10k\]: i find myself continually rooting for the dans while secretly wanting the pros to win
Over9k [5k\]: mingjiu will paralyze juyong by slamming his stones doan
Over9k [5k\]: down*
Advanced [1k\]: exactly
apachai31k [-\]: f4
Advanced [1k\]: too much experience at slamming stones
Over9k [5k\]: lol
krakengo [1k\]: no need to smal F4
Jenghis [2k\]: root for the dans bet on the pros
Advanced [1k\]: good call
krakengo [1k\]: to slam F4, just a gentle tick
krakengo [1k\]: "knock knock"
Richdad [5d\]: f4 has to be greeted with D5
flatulator [10k\]: nothing like watching a pro deliver justice =)
kayzac [2k\]: mingjiu already knows exactly which stones he must play on left and top left sides in order to trap n8 gruop
Advanced [1k\]: hes just making us wait 
Advanced [1k\]: teaching us patience
Advanced [1k\]: see how nice he is?
Rakeliem [1k\]: lag?
PokaMyoshu [-\]: Live
gusset [?\]: he's sorting out the endgame ko
fly [1k\]: b planning the rest of the game
uurtamo [8k?\]: why would he want to trap his own group?
kayzac [2k\]: b probably debating the d7 or b7 defense
krakengo [1k\]: D7 is impossible
Jedd [10k\]: B7 is an option?
krakengo [1k\]: B7 looks submissive
USGO1 [-\]: Mingjiu was fiddling with a couple of stones on the table in front of him. He put them back into the bowl
Analysis [1k\]: it's wierd
krakengo [1k\]: but an option
kyuboy [9k\]: akagi please check ur pm again 
uurtamo [8k?\]: b7 is a book move.
uurtamo [8k?\]: it works, but gives up a lot.
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;B[cq]C[ketchup [5k\]: ??
]
;W[cr]C[Jedd [10k\]: I see
]
;B[bm]C[Advanced [1k\]: oh
krakengo [1k\]: C3 straight and this
krakengo [1k\]: new combination to me
Tianyi [5k\]: i was thinking c3..bbut b7's surprising
krakengo [1k\]: very defensive for sure
ketchup [5k\]: is b7 really a "book move"?
USGO1 [-\]: a slap 'n slide move -- starting in the corner and moving up into position
Jedd [10k\]: He just wanted a forcing move before the book move.
Advanced [1k\]: hes about to invent a new tesuji
uurtamo [8k?\]: i learned about b7 from a book.
Jedd [10k\]: Which book was that?
Over9k [5k\]: it's quite classic
Advanced [1k\]: minjiu probably wrote it
Over9k [5k\]: get better at gote
krakengo [1k\]: B7 is standard suji
ketchup [5k\]: lol
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;W[cp]C[MaLa [2k\]: When in doubt, play B7!
Advanced [1k\]: wow
mdf116 [3k\]: c3 now bad
]
;B[bo]C[Advanced [1k\]: c4 is so powerful
krakengo [1k\]: for invasion into 3-space 3rd line extension
MaLa [2k\]: that is a old chinese saying
krakengo [1k\]: no C4 induces
kayzac [2k\]: b looking for quick settle
ketchup [5k\]: d5
krakengo [1k\]: nice
]
;W[do]C[krakengo [1k\]: since w was so solid there already,
]
;B[dn]C[krakengo [1k\]: b gained solidity for cheap
ketchup [5k\]: b4 then e6?
]
;W[en]C[Advanced [1k\]: this aint cheappp
ketchup [5k\]: hmm
Advanced [1k\]: are you crazy
Analysis [1k\]: seems like this is weakening n8
krakengo [1k\]: yes it is
uurtamo [8k?\]: jedd: if you don't already have it, forget that move and get "in the beginning" instead.
mdf116 [3k\]: white gained a lot
krakengo [1k\]: if both b center and side could become weak, b would pay higher probably
Soromon [1d\]: white will be able to harass black more in the middle after this
Jedd [10k\]: That's on my to-read list.  :)
USGO1 [-\]: he starts to play near d7, but then quickly pulls back
Jedd [10k\]: I'll be sure to check it out.
ketchup [5k\]: time to use l6 to reduce?
Over9k [5k\]: hane!
kayzac [2k\]: it seems like b come out ok here. why all the complaining? L3 and b3 make the w plays seem ineffective
krakengo [1k\]: 1 weak group is ok, more less so
krakengo [1k\]: also... w is not completely alive yet
Over9k [5k\]: black should e7 it would be fun
Hylebos [4k\]: L6 you say Ketchup?
ketchup [5k\]: kayzac, i think the problem is what white gained..
elfking [6k\]: i would love to hear GW's thoughts on this
USGO1 [-\]: Juyong steps out while Mingjiu is still thinking
MXHero [-\]: the b group is barely weak
krakengo [1k\]: at K6
nicaman [1d\]: hi ketchup
ketchup [5k\]: hellos nicaman
Hylebos [4k\]: En Taro Tassadar!
kayzac [2k\]: i dont see huge gain for w. ? L3 and b3 take away from earning potential
Analysis [1k\]: Juyong prolly going to get a drink
ketchup [5k\]: b3 can also be ignored
elfking [6k\]: USGO can you kindly tell the time spent now? 
GreatPanda [11k\]: My life for Auir! I am ready. Ge'off! I have returned. Your command, executor?
Tassadar [6d\]: Hello Hylebos
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;B[dm]C[kayzac [2k\]: obviously an end game move ... but w cannot count the whole corner as his
PokaMyoshu [-\]: Yes please!
computer [1d?\]: how much thinking time per player?
Soromon [1d\]: slowwwww
krakengo [1k\]: saaaaaafe
Soromon [1d\]: white j8 please
Advanced [1k\]: 7p moveeeeee
ketchup [5k\]: k4 for teh shape!
ketchup [5k\]: who cares about profit! mauaha
]
;W[em]C[MXHero [-\]: b has s10 and l6 for some shape; my guess is that a w attack on that group is premature
USGO1 [-\]: Mingjiu motions toward his move upon Juyong's return
Advanced [1k\]: b is so overconcentrated
Jedd [10k\]: Step 3: Profit!
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;B[jj]C[nicaman [1d\]: this i sleaning attack against center so white can play k10
nicaman [1d\]: oops black got it first
krakengo [1k\]: he he balance
kayzac [2k\]: wow. fastest moves of whole game.
charkysan [5k\]: e7 actually put some pressure on l8, so that's why k10 at this time
nicaman [1d\]: w wouold hav eplayed k10 next
Over9k [5k\]: the hand of god...
Soromon [1d\]: white c14?
krakengo [1k\]: mingjiu is cautious
Advanced [1k\]: mingjiu is winning by too much
krakengo [1k\]: keeeping strong shape
nicaman [1d\]: not cautious. correct.
krakengo [1k\]: yes i mean positively
Tassadar [6d\]: black's moves are all on the money, hard game for white
MXHero [-\]: what if cautious is correct?
kyuboy [9k\]: i think jiang ming jiu
kyuboy [9k\]: is going do or die mode
kyuboy [9k\]: or win or leave mode >.>
krakengo [1k\]: cannot call this chicken
kyuboy [9k\]: nope
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;W[fc]C[charkysan [5k\]: wanna bet w will play an extension from d16 next?
kyuboy [9k\]: hes playing text book moves
kyuboy [9k\]: =\]
]
;B[bd]C[Kirby [2k\]: i would not have played k10
Analysis [1k\]: charky should have bet earlier :D
Hylebos [4k\]: Charky would have won the respect and admiration of the kyus if he typed faster.
kayzac [2k\]: b almost seems cocky now, playing moves so quickly.
kyuboy [9k\]: i bet 150 yen
kyuboy [9k\]: that jiang ming jiu wins
charkysan [5k\]: the moment i typed it, he played it
kyuboy [9k\]: any one wanna call?
goclown [?\]: i accept kyu
kyuboy [9k\]: raise ?
krakengo [1k\]: didn't you like the idea of w L10
ketchup [5k\]: d8 
goclown [?\]: call
kyuboy [9k\]: ill raise
goclown [?\]: i fold
kyuboy [9k\]: :O
Hylebos [4k\]: I thought that making a profit using KGS was against the rules...
kyuboy [9k\]: i was only gonna raise
kyuboy [9k\]: 1 yen
kyuboy [9k\]: :D
Kirby [2k\]: i bet 2kyu on mingjiu
Analysis [1k\]: I never know how to respond to moves like B15 or B16
kyuboy [9k\]: hm
kyuboy [9k\]: i raise
ketchup [5k\]: dont worry, they'l get warned about it soon hylebos :P
kyuboy [9k\]: 100 yen
aussiemate [7k\]: id this yose or still middle game?
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;W[cc]C[Soromon [1d\]: ouch - black will get h17 after this corner sequence
kayzac [2k\]: Tassadar: is b16 too fast and rash?
]
;B[cf]C[krakengo [1k\]: simply :)
MXHero [-\]: still middle
charkysan [5k\]: outside influence doesn't look worth much here, so w plays for safety and cash
aussiemate [7k\]: thanx
Soromon [1d\]: white take j17 now?
Tassadar [6d\]: b16 is more or less common sense
nicaman [1d\]: looks like no more fights this game
Soromon [1d\]: or scared of the left side?
Advanced [1k\]: b16 is common probe
MXHero [-\]: the reason is that the groups are not completely settled yet
Analysis [1k\]: What are possible responses to B16? The only one I can see is c17
USGO1 [-\]: White has 62 mins left on the clock, while black has 47 min
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;W[ic]C[Advanced [1k\]: zomg
Gay [4d\]: ofcourse there will be fight -.-
Brent [1k\]: c15 too
Advanced [1k\]: symmetry!
MXHero [-\]: c16 also is common
charkysan [5k\]: if w wants a fight, he can always c12.  who wants to fight with a 7p?  someone who wants to have fun while losing
nicaman [1d\]: e14?
GreatPanda [11k\]: either gives the probe the corner, or seal it in
PokaMyoshu [-\]: Thanks USGO1
Jaiyk [2d?\]: d12 
phalanx [2k\]: top looks funny
Rakeliem [1k\]: sym sym sala sala
Over9k [5k\]: e14 
Niouth: C  is too 
Over9k [5k\]: lol
Jenghis [2k\]: I think point wise the game is close
Soromon [1d\]: d12 or b17 i think
Wintrmelon [9k\]: weird rules :O
Niouth: c 14
flatulator [10k\]: if i was black i'd play e14 just for the novelty..  plus it looks like a reasonable move =)
yoyoma [1d\]: K18 is mandatory!
Akagi316 [7k\]: e14 for even more symmetry
pemula20K [12k?\]: w nick in kgs Thehunter?
Advanced [1k\]: d12
phalanx [2k\]: e14 looks good to me
charkysan [5k\]: now the w group is strong enough to fight, but b will make shape before he can
pwoner [3d\]: i definetly prefer black
Advanced [1k\]: just take a look at blacks CASH
uurtamo [8k?\]: i think that if i were the amateur in this game, i might be worried about taking _less_ time than the professional off of my clock.
Analysis [1k\]: white has alot of nicknames
Analysis [1k\]: most common is MeatLover
Advanced [1k\]: he put al his money in CDs
Analysis [1k\]: err Meatlover
Kirby [2k\]: K15
Advanced [1k\]: and then the leftover
charkysan [5k\]: b is ahead on cash, and his groups look quite safe
Advanced [1k\]: he gambled on the stock market
Advanced [1k\]: :D
aussiemate [7k\]: I prefer a simple black number myself
MXHero [-\]: if b is confident then i'm guessing d12
Advanced [1k\]: it is d12
GreatPanda [11k\]: leftovers: +6.66% hp/ply
charkysan [5k\]: losing by less than a large margin would be a reasonable goal when a 7d plays a 7p
Kirby [2k\]: i prefer e14 to d12
Analysis [1k\]: why not e8?
Advanced [1k\]: e8...
MXHero [-\]: that's if b is not confident :)
flatulator [10k\]: hmm i  was also thinking e8
phalanx [2k\]: e8 is small
Tassadar [6d\]: In a go game, the only reasonable goal is to win, charkysan
aussiemate [7k\]: W has thickening moves around m16 
santiago [-\]: after e8 h17 is hard for white
Niouth: C 11 ?
Analysis [1k\]: juyong is strong, he thumped me soundly :D
Over9k [5k\]: c11 is a bit submissive
Kirby [2k\]: i don't even know who juyong is
Soromon [1d\]: c11 too low - black can build a bigger framework there
phalanx [2k\]: b wants to make sure he wins this game
Jaiyk [2d?\]: don't think next play will be on 3rd line
Tassadar [6d\]: Juyong thumped me many many times before too
phalanx [2k\]: thats why he plays slow
Analysis [1k\]: kirby, are you from vancouver?
mist5 [11k\]: d11?
Kirby [2k\]: i'm from michigan, but i'm in california now
aussiemate [7k\]: did he ever say he was sorry/
Kirby [2k\]: i went to canada for subway once
Analysis [1k\]: ah, because juyong lives in vancouver
Advanced [1k\]: have you ever thumped him back tassadar?
Kirby [2k\]: ah ok
kayzac [2k\]: where in michigan?
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;B[dl]C[Tassadar [6d\]: Like once
Advanced [1k\]: only one rank difference though?
Hylebos [4k\]: TheCaptain lives in canada...
fluffy [3k\]: b turned white's own plan against him
Analysis [1k\]: juyong is very strong for 7d i think
Kirby [2k\]: i go to school at the university of michigan, but went to tech as an undergrad, and was born around petoskey
Hylebos [4k\]: Advanced, KGS ranks and AGA ranks aren't the same thing :)
kyuboy [9k\]: arent all dans strong?
uurtamo [8k?\]: tassadar, can't black essentially treat this as a teaching game at some point?
USGO1 [-\]: Click here  http://www.usgo.org/congress/2008/pairs-r2.html for the Round 2 pairings and here http://www.usgo.org/naim/band-matrix/42 for the results -- and game records – from the top boards. Photos of the top players in the Open and NAIM are also posted online http://www.usgo.org/congress/2008/openplayers.html Click here http://www.usgo.org/congress/2008/staff.html to see the E-Journal Congress Team
Advanced [1k\]: i believe aga ranks are lower than kgs
uurtamo [8k?\]: sorry, white.
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;W[dg]C[Kirby [2k\]: AGA ranks are quite inaccurate, because they depend on how often you do tourneys
kayzac [2k\]: oh. i grew up in w.mich
kyuboy [9k\]: c12?
Tassadar [6d\]: No, uurtamo, because this is an actually tournament, not some random friendly game.
Kirby [2k\]: cool
robertm [2d\]: well kirby, how could it be any other way?
uurtamo [8k?\]: i mean the point at which it's clear that w is losing.  or is it impolite to keep playing and he would resign instead?
santiago [-\]: uurtamo, there's prize money in play here
kayzac [2k\]: d13 good reducer. w must be counting on good end game
Kirby [2k\]: how could what be any other way?
MXHero [-\]: it is not impossible for a 7d to beat a 7p
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;B[df]C[Advanced [1k\]: its not impossible for a 1k to beat a 7p either
robertm [2d\]: how could they be more accurate without more information  eg.  more games played
pemula20K [12k?\]: yes
santiago [-\]: it's just improbable
MXHero [-\]: no, that is :P
Tassadar [6d\]: He should keep going when he thinks he still has a chance to win, and resign when all hope is gone.
Advanced [1k\]: :D
MXHero [-\]: lol
computer [1d?\]: even random player could win 9p
ketchup [5k\]: i dont understand how this is "white clearly losing.."
pemula20K [12k?\]: you can throw the stone to  7p face
Advanced [1k\]: what if misclick
uurtamo [8k?\]: tassadar, okay, thanks.
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;W[cg]C[Advanced [1k\]: bwahahha
Advanced [1k\]: and they ask to undo
Kirby [2k\]: they can't, but he was comparing aga ranks to kgs ranks; kgs ranks are updated more often, as a rule
Advanced [1k\]: and you deny
Advanced [1k\]: ^^
Advanced [1k\]: well
Kirby [2k\]: D8, huh
Advanced [1k\]: I played someone at an AGA club for the first time 1-2 weeks ago
kayzac [2k\]: close game ... not an easy win for b at all.
Kirby [2k\]: seems too slow to me, but what do i know
Advanced [1k\]: when i was still 4k on kgs
Hylebos [4k\]: Ketchup, you know the rules of kibitz, keep it vague and don't back up your statements.
Advanced [1k\]: and I was beating 1ds and 2ds by 10 or so
aussiemate [7k\]: hane at the head of 2 stones?
Hylebos [4k\]: Haning for black wouldn't end too well I think.  At least on the outside.
pemula20K [12k?\]: 2d are not good comparing to 4k but not with 1k :)
Advanced [1k\]: so i think aga rank is weaker
Soromon [1d\]: b13 solid tho
Kirby [2k\]: perhaps you were around 1k one to two weeks ago, but your kgs rank just hadn't reflected it, yet
Rakeliem [1k\]: b13 best shape I think
Advanced [1k\]: nah, they are just really passive
Advanced [1k\]: they play like 4ks
Advanced [1k\]: like if I played d13
gusset [?\]: B seems to have trapped those 2 w stones on a large scale.
Advanced [1k\]: they would definently play c13
Hylebos [4k\]: You say that as though playing like a 4 kyu is a bad thing.
Advanced [1k\]: well
Advanced [1k\]: i must admit, the gap between 4k and 3k is quite large
Kirby [2k\]: 4 is evil because it's kanji sounds like death
USGO1 [-\]: Mingjiu starts to place a stone near b13, but then changes his mind to rethink the variations
Kirby [2k\]: in korea, they omit the 4th floor of buildings
Kirby [2k\]: at least the labeling
uurtamo [8k?\]: no, the actual floor.
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;B[bg]
;W[bh]
;B[bf]C[Kirby [2k\]: well, whatever.  it's still technically the fourth floor
Jaiyk [2d?\]: 5th floor levitates above 3rd
]
;W[eg]
;B[bc]
;W[bb]C[MXHero [-\]: do they call the 4th floor the 5th, or is there just a vacant 4th floor?
Tower [3d\]: welp its alive
Kirby [2k\]: the former
Tower [3d\]: if black wants to live in gote
Tower [3d\]: B11 i guess ?
]
;B[cd]C[Kirby [2k\]: i've also seen where there are only odd numbered floors
]
;W[dc]C[Kirby [2k\]: so they still avoid 4
]
;B[ab]C[krakengo [1k\]: not so glorious
krakengo [1k\]: but he can end up A15
Advanced [1k\]: a18 is too small
Tower [3d\]: a18 is for life silly
Tower [3d\]: not for points
Advanced [1k\]: e14 gogo
MXHero [-\]: a18 is aji keshi before living
]
;W[ac]C[MXHero [-\]: ;)
krakengo [1k\]: that's it
krakengo [1k\]: lol
Advanced [1k\]: i thought b11 lived anyways
krakengo [1k\]: kikashi before you die
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;B[de]C[krakengo [1k\]: might not be sente later =p
aussiemate [7k\]: W is mean
Kirby [2k\]: i would be really good at go if i had mind reading ability
yoyoma [1d\]: this A17 sort of move...
Tower [3d\]: big mistake from a strong pro
Advanced [1k\]: imagine
]
;W[hj]C[Over9k [5k\]: unless ppl played without thinking
yoyoma [1d\]: I won't see that very often in game
Advanced [1k\]: if you had a pro comment on your game
Advanced [1k\]: and you had mind reading abilities
Hylebos [4k\]: Kirby, wouldn't really help if your opponent didn't know a clue what the heck was going on :)
Advanced [1k\]: bwahaha
Kirby [2k\]: at least i can see his plan
phalanx [2k\]: ear reddening move here
Tower [3d\]: meh
Tower [3d\]: not really
Kirby [2k\]: but before playing go, i'd rip people off
lubricated [5k\]: except not at all
aussiemate [7k\]: j8 ?
uurtamo [8k?\]: please.
Over9k [5k\]: lol
MXHero [-\]: good call kirby
Kirby [2k\]: their ears are already red
Advanced [1k\]: then relationships would be boring
uurtamo [8k?\]: ear reddening, hardly.
Over9k [5k\]: perfect price discrimination
Over9k [5k\]: in a monoply
Tower [3d\]: yeah but just think about how easy one night stands would be advanced
Advanced [1k\]: :D
Soromon [1d\]: not really - black was expecting this after white D13 - that's why black didn't take the left side at c13 - because white would have built a wall facing the middle
Advanced [1k\]: maybe not boring... just easier...
Kirby [2k\]: one night stands are against ToS
Tower [3d\]: haha
MXHero [-\]: lol
Tower [3d\]: white doesn't really have that many points
cloudy [4d\]: why Feng Yun is listed on http://www.usgo.org/naim/band-matrix/42  ?
Tower [3d\]: i guess black doesn't have that much either
Advanced [1k\]: i saw feng yun play earlier today
Advanced [1k\]: or yesterday
kayzac [2k\]: juyong needs his best move of the game
kyuboy [9k\]: j8?
Advanced [1k\]: i remember hearing someone say she turned a joseki into a joseki punishment O_O
uurtamo [8k?\]: i think that this is a bad tenuki.
cloudy [4d\]: but not listed on the web
Advanced [1k\]: dont know >_>
krakengo [1k\]: w has resource
MXHero [-\]: i kinda like j8 but it feels slow
Advanced [1k\]: MX, did you go to china before?
Kirby [2k\]: in addition to tenuki's, it'd be cool if they had nuclear te's
phalanx [2k\]: b14 not alive yet
MXHero [-\]: no
USGO1 [-\]: Mingjiu clears his throat as he leans in closer to the board
Advanced [1k\]: oh, musta been someone else
MXHero [-\]: unfortunately :)
krakengo [1k\]: forced mingjiu into empty triangle twise =p
phalanx [2k\]: and his ears grow redder
Advanced [1k\]: i have a year before going to college
Kirby [2k\]: what t-shirt is ming jiu wearing now?
Advanced [1k\]: so I was wondering if I should just go to china for a year
Advanced [1k\]: :D
Soromon [1d\]: L12 would be nice preparation for an attack on the white stones on the left - but black must get f15 later
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;B[ff]C[Advanced [1k\]: I'd probably get bored of go though if I kept getting destroyed >_>
MXHero [-\]: yep, do it
pemula20K [12k?\]: http://www.usgo.org/naim/band-matrix/42 <- why not put rank player
Soromon [1d\]: or sooner x.X
]
;W[fg]C[pemula20K [12k?\]: Jiang are the only pro?
Over9k [5k\]: it's us opem
]
;B[fd]C[Advanced [1k\]: g15
Over9k [5k\]: open*
Advanced [1k\]: and im wrong!
Over9k [5k\]: feng yun is not in it
lubricated [5k\]: lol
]
;W[gc]C[MXHero [-\]: this is bringing out some c18 aji
Advanced [1k\]: e16 in sente?
krakengo [1k\]: you want to make another triangle ?
aussiemate [7k\]: no ko :~(
uurtamo [8k?\]: oh, e16 is sente alright.
katori15 [4k\]: @pemula pro's at table 2 and 5 also
Tower [3d\]: black can live with just A16
kyuboy [9k\]: he wants to move out
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;B[ci]
;W[ch]C[Tower [3d\]: yeah, never good to get sealed into the corner
Advanced [1k\]: according to se w has a solid 50 point lead
uurtamo [8k?\]: g12?
kayzac [2k\]: that seemed weak
kyuboy [9k\]: :o
uurtamo [8k?\]: not weak at all.  look at the d13 group.
uurtamo [8k?\]: it's running now.
Advanced [1k\]: and that just changed to 44 in one move
Advanced [1k\]: lol
kyuboy [9k\]: lol
kyuboy [9k\]: jiang ming jiu wins the game
kyuboy [9k\]: :O
]
;B[gf]C[Tower [3d\]: well white will end up with like zero points at H6 area
uurtamo [8k?\]: w has to connect now.
krakengo [1k\]: w kind of heavy
kyuboy [9k\]: f11
kyuboy [9k\]: ?
Tower [3d\]: yeah F10 would probably be wise
pwoner [3d\]: b has two weak gorups
Advanced [1k\]: "very heavy"
pwoner [3d\]:  this could be dangerous
krakengo [1k\]: H10 not shining right now
Soromon [1d\]: white f9?
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;W[gg]C[Advanced [1k\]: no... b is alive already
Advanced [1k\]: so 1 weak group
Tower [3d\]: well he can live with A16
Tower [3d\]: but i doubt he'll play it now
Advanced [1k\]: or e16
Musketeer [3d\]: black is solid
uurtamo [8k?\]: now b gets to connect and attack at the same time.
Soromon [1d\]: i think k10 is shining pretty bright
krakengo [1k\]: allow hane at the head of 2 stones ??
Advanced [1k\]: i dont think b can allow it..
Musketeer [3d\]: white leads
kayzac [2k\]: maybe. i don't see b connecting so easily.
krakengo [1k\]: how about w
uurtamo [8k?\]: k10 is connected soon.
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;B[bq]C[leslielau [3k\]: is there any TV broadcast for this?
Advanced [1k\]: wow.
uurtamo [8k?\]: because it threatens g13
krakengo [1k\]: !
Hylebos [4k\]: *dun dun dun*
Advanced [1k\]: thats just like.. wow
Tower [3d\]: seems fairly ok
Advanced [1k\]: h14..
Tower [3d\]: though i would have added a move to K10
uurtamo [8k?\]: puts more pressure on the LL group.  clever, before attacking the weak UR of that group.
Soromon [1d\]: bad time to tenuki tho - white L12 or j8 would make me very nervous
krakengo [1k\]: like w will defend E5 ?
kayzac [2k\]: w needs profit, should j8 ...?
uurtamo [8k?\]: j8 isn't a strong connection.
pwoner [3d\]: ....
pwoner [3d\]: is black alive
Tower [3d\]: where?  top left?
pwoner [3d\]: ya
Tower [3d\]: if white plays A19 or whatever i bet black figure he can run out
Tower [3d\]: if white seals he plays E16 or A16
Tower [3d\]: and lives
pwoner [3d\]: well looks like a painful run
krakengo [1k\]: you don't want to overplay and have b cut you off at L6, either
krakengo [1k\]: ok
Tower [3d\]: black must figure N8 is pretty secure otherwise he wouldn't play this way
pemula20K [12k?\]: where us w territory
krakengo [1k\]: looks reasonable for b
kayzac [2k\]: j8 good to set up splitting attack on n8 and d15 groups
]
;W[mc]C[uurtamo [8k?\]: j8 itself is split.
pwoner [3d\]: w prepares his attack
kyuboy [9k\]: =\]
krakengo [1k\]: and w tries to complicate some more :)
mentat [3k?\]: j8 is just too small
Soromon [1d\]: it's not complicating, it's forcing black to protect the top while making a center-facing wall to attack n8
krakengo [1k\]: J8 need K4 for good result
uurtamo [8k?\]: just count out that LL w territory.
Tower [3d\]: yeah
uurtamo [8k?\]: it doesn't exist.
Tower [3d\]: j4 and k8 are sort of miai
]
;B[mb]C[Rawrr: USGO may i have contrawl?
]
;W[nd]C[Tower [3d\]: lol
krakengo [1k\]: not just about points, about w's connection first
]
;B[oc]
;W[md]C[Rawrr: please?
uurtamo [8k?\]: k18 is better.  :)
Over9k [5k\]: the kiai is critical
krakengo [1k\]: points are only a measure of efficiency in connecting and cutting
mentat [3k?\]: w is alive and kicking there. no need to connect
]
;B[lc]C[MXHero [-\]: b2 is pretty big
Soromon [1d\]: big later
Tower [3d\]: gote for white
Tower [3d\]: semi sente for black
Tower [3d\]: later
Musketeer [3d\]: j3
Eru [3k\]: *just joined. can you watch this game on eurogo?
krakengo [1k\]: like madea explained, Q6 not fully alive locally
BOGGLE11: what am I missing? a 7d vs. 7p, to my untrained eye, the 7d is killing
Hylebos [4k\]: Boggle, it happens.
Hylebos [4k\]: Nothing suprising about it.
uurtamo [8k?\]: 7p game looks loose and disorganized until the end.
Over9k [5k\]: where is white's points
kyuboy [9k\]: :o
nickwasy [12k\]: B2 is sente for W, I think, because if B tenukis he can play B4
Rawrr: white should play rawrr 2
uurtamo [8k?\]: when his yose kills.
MXHero [-\]: well b plays b4 which is sente
Soromon [1d\]: right side is white's big area
phalanx [2k\]: b stones do not look loose and disorganized
phalanx [2k\]: they look concentrated
Advanced [1k\]: a b j8 would look so nice
Tower [3d\]: yeah j8 is pretty sente
kayzac [2k\]: i'm telling you, j8 is nice move
uurtamo [8k?\]: i'd like h12.
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;W[iq]C[mentat [3k?\]: j3 was much better
kayzac [2k\]: just not as good as j3 :)
]
;B[jp]C[mentat [3k?\]: now j8 is big
krakengo [1k\]: he b is so confident
krakengo [1k\]: simple moves, strong effect
Tower [3d\]: aiming at S6
Over9k [5k\]: oh my
Over9k [5k\]: he will start slamming stones soon
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;W[km]C[uurtamo [8k?\]: m6 works better now.
lubricated [5k\]: lol
phalanx [2k\]: q6 not killable
uurtamo [8k?\]: ah, w smart.
lubricated [5k\]: w is a 7d, uurtamo
]
;B[il]C[Over9k [5k\]: j8!
krakengo [1k\]: but if w is under pressure, then b under less pressure in the center
MXHero [-\]: j8 is so pretty
mentat [3k?\]: 7ds are made from the same material pros are made
krakengo [1k\]: and, w G13 under more pressure
lubricated [5k\]: no lol, that is not true
TheVoid [4d\]: basically white has to kill the center to win 
Advanced [1k\]: oh
Advanced [1k\]: i come back a bit latter
uurtamo [8k?\]: basically, w cannot kill the center.
Advanced [1k\]: and WHAT DO I SEE?
TheVoid [4d\]: I don't think this will happen 
krakengo [1k\]: kill a live group... mmmmh... ko ? :)
Hylebos [4k\]: Cappy could kill it...
]
;W[hf]C[Over9k [5k\]: SE could kill it
fluffy [3k\]: no cappy would kill himself
lubricated [5k\]: i could kill it
lubricated [5k\]: if b made a mistake
lubricated [5k\]: xD
Tower [3d\]: a16
TheVoid [4d\]: theCaptain tricks you into dying in gote
Gay [4d\]: lol
krakengo [1k\]: so w seals
Gay [4d\]: lubricated b could tenuki twice and still you wouldn't kill it
krakengo [1k\]: in sente
Tower [3d\]: or H15 first probably
lubricated [5k\]: yep
uurtamo [8k?\]: h12?
Advanced [1k\]: h15 is a must
lubricated [5k\]: so what
Over9k [5k\]: o8 o9 kills
Musketeer [3d\]: white not bad right now
Gay [4d\]: ur weak
lubricated [5k\]: ur weak too
Over9k [5k\]: if black tenukis twice
Gay [4d\]: yea but i am stronger than you 
mentat [3k?\]: if not a16, black is nuts
Rakeliem [1k\]: a13 ias must
Advanced [1k\]: woah now..
krakengo [1k\]: nah... only less weak
peteg [3k\]: how much time left ?
Over9k [5k\]: stop the childish argument guys that's gay...
lubricated [5k\]: i don't understand gay, we should be friends
phalanx [2k\]: lol
kyuboy [9k\]: lol
lubricated [5k\]: one of us cannot be without the other
Advanced [1k\]: -_-
uurtamo [8k?\]: lol
fluffy [3k\]: haha
Godevil [4k\]: lol
kyuboy [9k\]: LOL
Owy2001 [6k\]: Over9k, you make a compelling argument.
lubricated [5k\]: (no boot plz)
krakengo [1k\]: "kyu dan rat cat"
himo [13k\]: :o
fluffy [3k\]: both of you have very similar personalities anyway (gay and lube)
kyuboy [9k\]: :O
Gay [4d\]: dont worry lubr
lubricated [5k\]: well thats to be expected
Gay [4d\]: no racist here 
uurtamo [8k?\]: it certainly makes the hard conversation go down easier.
Advanced [1k\]: b cannot h15
fluffy [3k\]: hy
pemula20K [12k?\]: posible
lubricated [5k\]: so you're not racist... to irish ppl?
krakengo [1k\]: A16 your gote life, or threaten something bigger
uurtamo [8k?\]: h12
Godevil [4k\]: focus on the game guys
KGSPlus [-\]: please keep comments related to the game
Over9k [5k\]: cappy would cut h13 
Over9k [5k\]: and try to make it a semai
Over9k [5k\]: with a ko
Advanced [1k\]: h15 e14 g15 f15 g16
uurtamo [8k?\]: h12 h13 h15
nickwasy [12k\]: Isn't C18 better than A16?
kayzac [2k\]: i think a16 called for, then prey for m9 :)
Gay [4d\]: Over9k that would be very much possible
Tower [3d\]: ask him what he would play next, he's here :P
Advanced [1k\]: how much time?
lubricated [5k\]: gay i am now making you my friend
Advanced [1k\]: e16 is thhheee moveee
Over9k [5k\]: WWCD?
krakengo [1k\]: a gote life
Over9k [5k\]: what would cappy do
Hylebos [4k\]: Kill.
Advanced [1k\]: or maybe just a16
Hylebos [4k\]: Pretty simple.
phalanx [2k\]: b needs to make a move
gusset [?\]: E16 not eye
krakengo [1k\]: hard to submit
lubricated [5k\]: not true phalanx
nickwasy [12k\]: why a16 and not C18?
shai [1d\]: live w a16
krakengo [1k\]: but...
Advanced [1k\]: b underestimate the powerrrr
kayzac [2k\]: e16 e14 e15 a19 
Advanced [1k\]: of hane
phalanx [2k\]: if he doesnt make a move he will lost by time
kyuboy [9k\]: usgo1
kyuboy [9k\]: time?
krakengo [1k\]: you want to fight a ko for life ?
uurtamo [8k?\]: phalanx, that is so, so true.
Advanced [1k\]: not if he escapes
pemula20K [12k?\]: E18 for extreme
Advanced [1k\]: then the game would be left unfinished
Musketeer [3d\]: b g16
phalanx [2k\]: lol
uurtamo [8k?\]: and, phalanx, i bet that he hasn't thought of that.
lubricated [5k\]: b k7 soon?
phalanx [2k\]: well he should know the kibitzers are gettting bored
uurtamo [8k?\]: ;)
Advanced [1k\]: its gonna be a16
phalanx [2k\]: he gotta keep them entertained
nickwasy [12k\]: can anyone answer my question?
kyuboy [9k\]: XP
lubricated [5k\]: usgo update on what the players are doing?
Gay [4d\]: i can answer
kyuboy [9k\]: :O
Squirrel [-\]: maybe sleeping
Squirrel [-\]: i would be
kyuboy [9k\]: nope
Advanced [1k\]: b is crying
kyuboy [9k\]: he dont cry ...
Soromon [1d\]: Minjiu is taking a cue from Jie Li and pounding a Red Bull
kyuboy [9k\]: red bull kills you
USGO1 [-\]: Mingjiu lets out a small sigh... he's now leaning back in his chair studying the board
lubricated [5k\]: haha
krakengo [1k\]: gote life :)
nickwasy [12k\]: in that case, what is the answer?
uurtamo [8k?\]: c18 a19 c19 d18, nickwasy, is my guess.
firewolf07 [5k\]: ~sigh~
santiago [-\]: nickwasy, if you don't ask the question nobody can answer
USGO1 [-\]: Juyong appears to be counting
tromp [-\]: a13
firewolf07 [5k\]: this game islong
phalanx [2k\]: b is feeling the pinch
mentat [3k?\]: takemiya masaki is there?
fluffy [3k\]: who is getting excited :)
charkysan [5k\]: b may be reading to see if he can cut at h13 without hurting k10
phalanx [2k\]: b very unhappy with upper right
phalanx [2k\]: i mean upper left
lubricated [5k\]: no i think he is so happy with that -_-
Advanced [1k\]: its all because
Advanced [1k\]: b decided to b3
Advanced [1k\]: out of nowhere
Soromon [1d\]: agreed!
kyuboy [9k\]: <(._.<)
mentat [3k?\]: w should have played d8
phalanx [2k\]: i think A18 was a mis
nickwasy [12k\]: Ok. for some reason I didn't see that
uurtamo [8k?\]: still like h12 first.
lubricated [5k\]: a16 works
phalanx [2k\]: it all started iwth a18
phalanx [2k\]: b lost a move
phalanx [2k\]: for life
USGO1 [-\]: Juyong careful shifts his eyes around the board without moving his head, his eyes almost hidden under his cap
phalanx [2k\]: one precious move and he is behind
Over9k [5k\]: my precious...
lubricated [5k\]: lol
krakengo [1k\]: at B13 even
lubricated [5k\]: drama
phalanx [2k\]: lol
mentat [3k?\]: this is madness
krakengo [1k\]: instructive game
]
;B[le]C[uurtamo [8k?\]: dang, what a badass.
krakengo [1k\]: !!
charkysan [5k\]: i'll bet juyong plays poker too.  he doesn't want to give away where he is looking
lubricated [5k\]: thi sis IGO
Gay [4d\]: tenuki!
lubricated [5k\]: aw man.
krakengo [1k\]: wouah !!
phalanx [2k\]: hmm
USGO1 [-\]: Mingjiu will take a few stones in his hand, twiddling them between his fingers, then drop them back into the bowl
Soromon [1d\]: not tenuki - it helps connect k10 and reduces white's right side
lubricated [5k\]: wow really mingjiu
pemula20K [12k?\]: 7p are not human 
mentat [3k?\]: omg, black is nuts
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;W[mf]C[Hylebos [4k\]: Wow, for the first time in a long time, nobody replied to "this is madness."
kyuboy [9k\]: black is gamling
lubricated [5k\]: he isn't nuts he is 7p
kyuboy [9k\]: lol
Over9k [5k\]: black is just pissed b/c white is over 9000
lubricated [5k\]: kyuboy 7p dont gamble
kyuboy [9k\]: he has the right
pemula20K [12k?\]: attack at top of w group?
kyuboy [9k\]: :O
mentat [3k?\]: yeah hylebos U_U
kyuboy [9k\]: but jiang ming jiu
Gay [4d\]: he is monster
kyuboy [9k\]: know how to play
kyuboy [9k\]: mah jong
kyuboy [9k\]: thats gambling >.<
TanGeng [1d?\]: over 9000!?
Over9k [5k\]: what 9000?!
lubricated [5k\]: k15
uurtamo [8k?\]: yeah, but B goes to 11.
kyuboy [9k\]: orrr
Millard [17k\]: madness?
nickwasy [12k\]: it's from Dragonball Z
mentat [3k?\]: half os being 7d is guts, I bet
Millard [17k\]: this is SPARTA
Gay [4d\]: i love kyus
Millard [17k\]: lol
kyuboy [9k\]: this is madness!
mentat [3k?\]: tks millard!
TanGeng [1d?\]: ha!
krakengo [1k\]: "This move is pintokonai"
NoKnott [-\]: Please limit remarks to comments on the game, the players and the tournament.  Thanks.
krakengo [1k\]: learned a good one lol
uurtamo [8k?\]: now j13 looks better than h12.
USGO1 [-\]: Mingjiu gets up and steps outside the room for a moment
fluffy [3k\]: !!!
fluffy [3k\]: are his ears red
lubricated [5k\]: awesome
phalanx [2k\]: is b2 seki?
kyuboy [9k\]: usgo1
USGO1 [-\]: Juyong takes advantage of the break and follows suit
kyuboy [9k\]: wjats the time?
charkysan [5k\]: m15 helps prepare h15
Gay [4d\]: b2 seki?
kyuboy [9k\]: time?
mentat [3k?\]: we need a podcast for the next tournament!
uurtamo [8k?\]: but b can take a sente move that generates aji before playing h15.
BOGGLE11: yeah, give us a time please :)
Soromon [1d\]: minjiu should L13 i think, get his black group more shape and worry about h13 afterward
uurtamo [8k?\]: just threaten to cut h13 at either j13 or h12.
uurtamo [8k?\]: ah, soromon.  thanks.
USGO1 [-\]: I can only see one player's clock, but until the Ing clock speaks, you know they'll have more than 10 mins each
Gay [4d\]: what is the next move
acellist1 [5k\]: l13 looks like nice move
Soromon [1d\]: black can get rid of all his weaknesses by connecting his running group
]
;B[lm]C[Over9k [5k\]: lol
Soromon [1d\]: then attack white's bottom right group, the bottom left corner, the c13 stones, etc
phalanx [2k\]: very interesting move
Gay [4d\]: not really
Over9k [5k\]: or just go straight for the atk
USGO20:  
Soromon [1d\]: aiming at k7 and j6 shape
phalanx [2k\]: of course
Malone [9k\]: if my grandfather would have heard me talking like this in his days... "untill the clock speaks", he'd given me a good slap on the backhead....
Gay [4d\]: b aiming to k7-l6-j6
Malone [9k\]: ^^
phalanx [2k\]: of course
phalanx [2k\]: but he wont get it
phalanx [2k\]: cuz w knwos that
phalanx [2k\]: its kinda obvious
Gay [4d\]: phalanx is pro
phalanx [2k\]: u bet
Soromon [1d\]: white's other options?
phalanx [2k\]: hmm
phalanx [2k\]: good question
]
;W[ln]
;B[jm]C[pemula20K [12k?\]: if w block w lost much in left
]
;W[kn]
;B[in]
;W[io]C[kyuboy [9k\]: tsuji ?
kyuboy [9k\]: tesuji?
krakengo [1k\]: big trouble w
phalanx [2k\]: i guess no other option
GameFAQs [3d\]: Whatever that means.
]
;B[hn]C[phalanx [2k\]: wow this is incredibly productive for b
acellist1 [5k\]: yeah b looks great
Capsule [3d\]: only 4 people watching 9d vs 7d game lol
netslayr [10k?\]: :)
phalanx [2k\]: everyone else fell asleep waiting
phalanx [2k\]: i prefer b here
Squirrel [-\]: everyone would rather watch a live event capsule hah
kyuboy [9k\]: wow
kyuboy [9k\]: se went from 59
kyuboy [9k\]: to 10
kyuboy [9k\]: amazing
phalanx [2k\]: you must take se into context
Soromon [1d\]: white e14 now?
phalanx [2k\]: otherwise you miss the point of the tool
GreatPanda [11k\]: The se is crap 
Advanced [1k\]: according to se
Advanced [1k\]: the game is hopeless for b
krakengo [1k\]: i like b again
phalanx [2k\]: se is not crap
Advanced [1k\]: but obviously thats not true
phalanx [2k\]: only if oyu dont know how to use it
Soromon [1d\]: black has a lot of attacking left to do, white not so much
mentat [3k?\]: w's shape is dismantling
GameFAQs [3d\]: Which kind?
GameFAQs [3d\]: He will be dismantling or be dismantled?
firewolf07 [5k\]: is mangjiu realy a 7pro?
Squirrel [-\]: are you really 5k?
phalanx [2k\]: E5 is a weak point
firewolf07 [5k\]: i hope so
Capsule [3d\]: yes firewolf07
Capsule [3d\]: he is 7p
Advanced [1k\]: h13
Gay [4d\]: who is mangjiu?
Xanwu [1d\]: yes he is
Squirrel [-\]: i hope he is 7p too then
phalanx [2k\]: this just looks so bad for i dont even know where to begin
krakengo [1k\]: yes, mangjiu is a 7p
Soromon [1d\]: e5 weak, but so is b4 - black must wait to decide which will be better to force white d4
Over9k [5k\]: mangjiu?
Gay [4d\]: isn't he mingjiu
Over9k [5k\]: who;s that
Musketeer [3d\]: mingjiu is jojo's elder brother
firewolf07 [5k\]: i mean shouldn't black be winning this game
firewolf07 [5k\]: by like alot
Over9k [5k\]: no
Gay [4d\]: lol
Soromon [1d\]: like probably but like white is like pretty like good too
krakengo [1k\]: seems he went too easy at some point
Xanwu [1d\]: winning by a lot means nothing / win is win 
Over9k [5k\]: high dans are very close in power
Gay [4d\]: firewolf you are really funny
krakengo [1k\]: but still a game !
netslayr [10k?\]: LOL
firewolf07 [5k\]: well
firewolf07 [5k\]: isn't w ahead?
yukimora [1k\]: were is this game being held at?
Mike [9k\]: lol @ soromon like totally like dude like omg
Over9k [5k\]: seattle?
netslayr [10k?\]: Soromon!
GreatPanda [11k\]: portland?
firewolf07 [5k\]: isn't w ahead?
Xanwu [1d\]: w is not ahead
Gay [4d\]: a 5k should see who is ahead
Soromon [1d\]: US Go Congress
Over9k [5k\]: like woah
Soromon [1d\]: Seattle - it was there also in 2005
Capsule [3d\]: is Soromom your name
Capsule [3d\]: Soromon*
krakengo [1k\]: that's a dramatic statement
Malone [9k\]: a 4d shouldn't be so desperate to appear smart and superior....
Malone [9k\]: ^^
nobones [10k\]: Go Congress is in Portland
firewolf07 [5k\]: lol
krakengo [1k\]: cryptic for Saruman, it appears
Advanced [1k\]: well
Over9k [5k\]: we should stop b4 noknott uses bold again
GameFAQs [3d\]: A 9k shouldn't do much of anything but study.
Advanced [1k\]: basicallyy
Squirrel [-\]: says who
Soromon [1d\]: Whatever. The northwest.
Advanced [1k\]: whoever is thinking
Over9k [5k\]: psh i'm over 9k
Advanced [1k\]: is the person in trouble
Advanced [1k\]: so
Malone [9k\]: and, so here I am, studying this pro game ...
phalanx [2k\]: what is w response here
Malone [9k\]: easy...
Over9k [5k\]: lol i usually don't think in games
Soromon [1d\]: (conversation is still related to the tournament)
Malone [9k\]: =P
Over9k [5k\]: but i still lose
phalanx [2k\]: h5 ok?
krakengo [1k\]: maybe connect ? :)
Musketeer [3d\]: white still leads about 5 points
Gay [4d\]: i bet on tenuki
phalanx [2k\]: this looks dangerous
]
;W[lr]C[Advanced [1k\]: no tenuki here..
shai [1d\]: where are you?
Gay [4d\]: white lifes
krakengo [1k\]: induuuuce !
firewolf07 [5k\]: it doesn't matter to me if a dude on the net think is superier just because he has a different letter and number
phalanx [2k\]: m2 is that last move i would think
Soromon [1d\]: o.O black L2?
Hylebos [4k\]: One second, doesn't A13 for black live?
krakengo [1k\]: how does this work ?
GameFAQs [3d\]: Also, he is stronger.
Advanced [1k\]: k5
Hylebos [4k\]: Or does it live regardless?
GameFAQs [3d\]: Don't forget that, it's arguably the most important.
krakengo [1k\]: makes w alive
krakengo [1k\]: ok
Advanced [1k\]: k5 gogogogo
firewolf07 [5k\]: and also its a game
phalanx [2k\]: l2 for b
Malone [9k\]: but I find those people dumb, so I take the liberty to tell, fire.... =)
GameFAQs [3d\]: Life's a game, baby.
Advanced [1k\]: really?
Gay [4d\]: w exactly want b to play l2
USGO1 [-\]: the Ing clock speaks: black has 10 mins left
Over9k [5k\]: i have a board game called life
GameFAQs [3d\]: Stop smiling, nobody else is smiling. >_>
Gay [4d\]: so he can play m4 on sente + tenuki
Akagi316 [7k\]: b top left alive?
Advanced [1k\]: w is afraid of k5
GameFAQs [3d\]: Use some shifty eyes.
pemula20K [12k?\]: force to sente
Advanced [1k\]: cut cut cut
Gay [4d\]: or just tenuki straight after l2
Soromon [1d\]: m2 would work if black hadn't k4, i don't see why white plays it here
phalanx [2k\]: oh
phalanx [2k\]: very clever
Soromon [1d\]: someone better than me explain m2?
krakengo [1k\]: sigh
Gay [4d\]: m2 want keep sente soromon
phalanx [2k\]: gay jsut did
Advanced [1k\]: basically
fluffy [3k\]: man if juyong won this game..how happy would he be tonight
Advanced [1k\]: k5 will cause w to resign
Soromon [1d\]: but giving L2 leads to black h1 later
phalanx [2k\]: so a 1k thinks
liut1rta [3d?\]: not easy for jy to win
Musketeer [3d\]: M2 gives up too much
katori15 [4k\]: ● l2 m3 m4 
krakengo [1k\]: this is to discourage K5
]
;B[lq]C[phalanx [2k\]: see gay was right
Gay [4d\]: hehe
shai [1d\]: what not l2 there/?
krakengo [1k\]: ...
Musketeer [3d\]: black wants w to connect at k5
Gay [4d\]: i saw that 
phalanx [2k\]: scroll up gay explained already
shai [1d\]: why not block at L2 there?
krakengo [1k\]: you want w to live in sente ?
GameFAQs [3d\]: Ugh don't get it
GameFAQs [3d\]: too weak. >_>
Soromon [1d\]: honestly I'd let white have the m4 eyeshape for more solid territory on the bottom and monkey jump at h1
Gay [4d\]: s17 is really huge
USGO1 [-\]: Juyong reaches for a stone, but then changes his mind
Capsule [3d\]: go to gamefaqs.com GameFAQs, they have a guideline fr M2
]
;W[rn]C[krakengo [1k\]: w will not L2 anytime soon anyway !
GameFAQs [3d\]: No, they don't.
Hipparion [-\]: I guess b D14 is alive ?
Squirrel [-\]: did you check?
GameFAQs [3d\]: Maybe.
Akagi316 [7k\]: d14 is alive
Squirrel [-\]: thought so
Advanced [1k\]: e5!
Over9k [5k\]: Mingjiu uses slam. Juyong flinches.... 
Capsule [3d\]: no.
Advanced [1k\]: only flinches?
Capsule [3d\]: just...no.
Advanced [1k\]: more like paralyzed ^^
]
;B[ip]C[GameFAQs [3d\]: That's Body Slam, kid!
Over9k [5k\]: slam can't paralyze
trebleclef [4k\]: is black D15 group dead?
Akagi316 [7k\]: over for w?
Capsule [3d\]: uh, yes it can.
Over9k [5k\]: no onix has slam
Capsule [3d\]: 10% chance
Gay [4d\]: d15 alife
Advanced [1k\]: see?
phalanx [2k\]: i have a feeling b will resign at some point
Squirrel [-\]: you guys suck at pokemon
]
;W[jr]C[phalanx [2k\]: i mean w will resign
Akagi316 [7k\]: b winning
Advanced [1k\]: wow
phalanx [2k\]: lol
GameFAQs [3d\]: I stopped playing Pearl by 8th gym..
GameFAQs [3d\]: ;_;
Squirrel [-\]: pathetic
Capsule [3d\]: weak.
krakengo [1k\]: ok crawl
GameFAQs [3d\]: It sucked. Admit it
Over9k [5k\]: my newset gameboy is a gameboy pocket
GreatPanda [11k\]: flinch = op mechanic
Capsule [3d\]: no wai, wifi was awesome.
GameFAQs [3d\]: I don't have that fancy stuff.
Soromon [1d\]: time?
]
;B[sp]C[Over9k [5k\]: pokemon is a game you can't win with gamefaqs
GameFAQs [3d\]: Rare candy cheat
kyuboy [9k\]: :pppppppp
Advanced [1k\]: you win it with gameshark
lubricated [5k\]: i love that cheat
phalanx [2k\]: b leaning on w now
GameFAQs [3d\]: case closed
Gay [4d\]: my friend haxed my pokemons to like 70+ level i was really mad
lubricated [5k\]: what was that thing called?
Hylebos [4k\]: Missingno is a jerk.
Gay [4d\]: i was doing good -.-
Over9k [5k\]: missingno ruins games
lubricated [5k\]: aha, missingno
Over9k [5k\]: you were doing well gay
Gay [4d\]: was around level 50 ^^
GameFAQs [3d\]: My brother deleted my legitimate level 100 Feraligator game.
GreatPanda [11k\]: lol
GreatPanda [11k\]: blissey ftw
GameFAQs [3d\]: Man, what was I thinking, though? >_>
Over9k [5k\]: dugtrio was the best
lubricated [5k\]: you know what pokemon was like the most pwn in the original
lubricated [5k\]: tentacruel
GameFAQs [3d\]: That's a lot of levels to obtain legitimately.
kyuboy [9k\]: lol
kyuboy [9k\]: pokemon addicgts
lubricated [5k\]: not tentacool, tentacruel
kyuboy [9k\]: >.>
GameFAQs [3d\]: Tentacool was the worst.
lubricated [5k\]: yes
GameFAQs [3d\]: The worst.
GreatPanda [11k\]: cruel is okay
Over9k [5k\]: magicarp was
lubricated [5k\]: but tentacruel was amazing
kyuboy [9k\]: no
csgo [?\]: isn't b need e16 to live?
GreatPanda [11k\]: high speed and special defence
Advanced [1k\]: omg
kyuboy [9k\]: lugia
kyuboy [9k\]: :D
GameFAQs [3d\]: And Tentacruel was the best. >_>
Hylebos [4k\]: KGS+ will probably remind us to focus on the game.
Advanced [1k\]: what is the thing that red fish evolves into
ketchup [5k\]: hey look, a game..
Over9k [5k\]: dugtrio=high speed and atk
Advanced [1k\]: !!!!!
Hylebos [4k\]: Gyrados.
GameFAQs [3d\]: GYRADOS!
Capsule [3d\]: uh...no, my level 35 pikachu destroyed level 80 tentacruels
Advanced [1k\]: yeah
SilentOne [7k\]: Gyarados
kyuboy [9k\]: guys shhhhhh
lubricated [5k\]: kgs+ is probably too busy thinking of his own pokemon when he was a kid
kyuboy [9k\]: >.>
souka [2d\]: nerds
SilentOne [7k\]: I preferred my lv 100 Magikarp
kyuboy [9k\]: :o
GameFAQs [3d\]: My level 100 Feraligator destroyed level 50 Dragonites.
GameFAQs [3d\]: >_>
Reddo [19k?\]: shhhhhhhhhhhh
GreatPanda [11k\]: flail is op
Capsule [3d\]: flail is hax
kyuboy [9k\]: lol
]
;W[rk]C[GreatPanda [11k\]: 1hit ko at <10%
Over9k [5k\]: flail doesn't exist in real pokemon games
]
;B[rl]C[Advanced [1k\]: ok
Advanced [1k\]: so what was the point of s9
lubricated [5k\]: phail phlail
Gay [4d\]: s9 was sente
Over9k [5k\]: for s7 
Over9k [5k\]: sente?
Advanced [1k\]: oh
Advanced [1k\]: i see
Over9k [5k\]: and 2nd eye"?
csgo [?\]: w s9? not s8?
kyuboy [9k\]: cant we just p6?
Gay [4d\]: have to life now though
Musketeer [3d\]: w in trouble
phalanx [2k\]: no w ok
Violet [2d\]: K5 or p6 guarantee life
phalanx [2k\]: but will lose some points
Advanced [1k\]: this is now like one of the usual kgs games
kyuboy [9k\]: except
kyuboy [9k\]: slower
Advanced [1k\]: one group is dieing
krakengo [1k\]: power balance favoring b right now
USGO1 [-\]: Mingjiu leans on the table and glances up at his opponent a couple of times
SilentOne [7k\]: if w doesn't p6 or something, w dies
phalanx [2k\]: lmao
krakengo [1k\]: nice trick
krakengo [1k\]: lol 
kyuboy [9k\]: lol
kyuboy [9k\]: hes cheating
kyuboy [9k\]: :O
kyuboy [9k\]: hes looking at his face
kyuboy [9k\]: to see where hes looking at
GameFAQs [3d\]: Nah.
Over9k [5k\]: mingjiu uses glare
phalanx [2k\]: thats no cheating
Soromon [1d\]: correct, silent - then black gets k18 and s17 and it's a very close game
GameFAQs [3d\]: He knows where he's looking
GameFAQs [3d\]: .
phalanx [2k\]: thats strategy
GreatPanda [11k\]: astonish (dark) 40 ap may cause flinch
]
;W[jo]C[Capsule [3d\]: just wear sunglasses like the poker tour
krakengo [1k\]: hey wangyang, nice to see you here
Grimalkin [3k\]: he's a pro, kyuboy.  he knows what's going on in the game without watching where his opponent is looking
GameFAQs [3d\]: I killed so many geodudes with astonish.
Over9k [5k\]: wangyangbulao
phalanx [2k\]: h4 or h5 for b?
firewolf07 [5k\]: o.O
GreatPanda [11k\]: astonish is hilarious on an HM slave
GreatPanda [11k\]: clutch flinch kills
NoKnott [-\]: Please limit remarks to comments on the game, the players and the tournament. Thanks.
Capsule [3d\]: hehe ^_^
Over9k [5k\]: lol
Musketeer [3d\]: h4 maybe better
Over9k [5k\]: finally k5 has been played
USGO1 [-\]: Black has 5 mins left
krakengo [1k\]: why
Capsule [3d\]: if b enters byoyomi then maybe white has a chance to recover
SilentOne [7k\]: h5 more solid
kyuboy [9k\]: :O
Soromon [1d\]: h4 slightly better for reduction of points, but neither seems very big
trebleclef [4k\]: black owes a move on D 15 group tho right?
Over9k [5k\]: s17 sometime?
krakengo [1k\]: these plays are not about direct points...
Advanced [1k\]: h4 is better
lubricated [5k\]: comon black, do it.
Musketeer [3d\]: m4 or p7 ensure eye space
charkysan [5k\]: b may also be preparing to cut at h13 by building thickness in the center
Over9k [5k\]: s7 m4 miai
]
;B[rc]C[Over9k [5k\]: i think
Musketeer [3d\]: tanuki
Over9k [5k\]: yay s17
Soromon [1d\]: racoon dog?
Advanced [1k\]: so
Advanced [1k\]: what if w a19
SilentOne [7k\]: why s7?
]
;W[br]
;B[bp]C[GameFAQs [3d\]: What does he do if a13? >_>
]
;W[dp]C[csgo [?\]: w  e14
Soromon [1d\]: k18 please!
Capsule [3d\]: lol i got it soromon =)
krakengo [1k\]: biggest endgame, he says everything is settled
Soromon [1d\]: thanks capsule
Capsule [3d\]: actually H5 is pretty big for W
Soromon [1d\]: tenuki =\\= tanuki
Advanced [1k\]: k18 time?
]
;B[gp]C[krakengo [1k\]: blind spot :(
Musketeer [3d\]: same difference
lubricated [5k\]: w k18 gote methinks
fluffy [3k\]: b loves this shape..
Over9k [5k\]: methinks doth thinks too much
]
;W[fp]C[SilentOne [7k\]: who's doth?
Advanced [1k\]: wouldnt a crosscut be so cool here
GreatPanda [11k\]: macbeth quote
Shana [3d\]: his friend probably?
Over9k [5k\]: it's hamlet
netslayr [10k?\]: a dude in tights
Pikachu [2d?\]: Pika Pika Pikachu.
]
;B[hq]C[Musketeer [3d\]: white sill leads a little
]
;W[hr]C[GameFAQs [3d\]: Doth Vader
]
;B[hp]C[Soromon [1d\]: crosscut not so good
Miria [1d\]: guys
SilentOne [7k\]: it's hamlet with an 's' thrown in to be confusing...
Miria [1d\]: oh nvm i see miai
Over9k [5k\]: lol
Advanced [1k\]: f3
Grimalkin [3k\]: Shamlet?
netslayr [10k?\]: shamlet
isoparm [3k\]: f5.
Over9k [5k\]: f5 ?
SilentOne [7k\]: think's'
Miria [1d\]: f5 seems small
Advanced [1k\]: f3...
gobutton: what's the real difference here between 7d and 7p?
Musketeer [3d\]: f2 is fine
pemula20K [11k?\]: d and p
Miria [1d\]: tenuki i think
Advanced [1k\]: fine f2
Shana [3d\]: a certificate, gobutton
Miria [1d\]: or l2
gobutton: shouldn't the 7p whip te 7d?
NspctrGdgt [3k\]: about 3 stones?
Over9k [5k\]: well if we use base 26...
Hylebos [4k\]: Not neccesarilly Gobutton.
Advanced [1k\]: or l2
GameFAQs [3d\]: According to some, just a letter. >_>
gobutton: d=amateur; p=pro
gobutton: but what's the real skill difference?
Over9k [5k\]: pros have better yose
Shana [3d\]: if u rotate d 180 degrees u get p
phalanx [2k\]: d is not necessarily < p
SilentOne [7k\]: pro ranks mark tournament wins, not true strength
pemula20K [11k?\]: pro are only notation
Hylebos [4k\]: Do realise that it is AGA 7d, which is the highest rank that it goes.
Miria [1d\]: oh wait... 
eXistenZ [5k?\]: pros are genetically altered
Over9k [5k\]: no
Advanced [1k\]: no..
Soromon [1d\]: mingjiu actually found a shortcut to safety for his group in the center by connecting to the bottom right - this saves him a connection around L13 later
Advanced [1k\]: AGA goes up to 9d...
kilroy [2d\]: AGA goes higher than 7d
Miria [1d\]: maybe e10?
GameFAQs [3d\]: I trust Hylebos!
santiago [-\]: ranks do not measure strenght, ratings do
NspctrGdgt [3k\]: mingjiu was aga 10d for a while
Advanced [1k\]: oh 10d?
USGO1 [-\]: no, those are ratings, not ranks
netslayr [10k?\]: if u What happens if you rotate p?!
Miria [1d\]: or e11
gogobob [2k\]: is black safe in upper left corner without moving first?
Hylebos [4k\]: Rating goes up to 9, 7d is a rank.
]
;W[kr]C[NspctrGdgt [3k\]: yes 10d rating
Jenghis [2k\]: what exactly is the difference between ratings and rank?
Advanced [1k\]: o_O
GameFAQs [3d\]: Hylebos the best
Hylebos [4k\]: Thank you for the voucher of trust GameFaq.
kilroy [2d\]: one is continuous
GameFAQs [3d\]: cheer
GameFAQs [3d\]: cheer
charkysan [5k\]: w may be looking for a way to end this local tiff in sente so he can tenuki to settle his g13 group
Miria [1d\]: oh im right afterall
santiago [-\]: ranks are titles, ratings a relative measure of skill
mentat [3k?\]: amateur rank is only till 7d
Advanced [1k\]: s5
yoyoma [1d\]: The difference between ratings and ranks is that if you know the difference you get to sound smart and correct people.
Hylebos [4k\]: Yoyoma is right.
yoyoma [1d\]: Other than that not a heck of a lot
Advanced [1k\]: s5s5s5s5s5
Miria [1d\]: white gonna throw away f4?
phalanx [2k\]: hmm looks like w gonna win?
Miria [1d\]: s5 = goatea?
]
;B[qm]
;W[lp]C[Miria [1d\]: m4 = miai
Soromon [1d\]: still close - white omitted r16, black will get k18 also
SilentOne [7k\]: goat tea?
]
;B[ro]C[Advanced [1k\]: ok fine
]
;W[qn]C[Advanced [1k\]: i called it early 1 move
Advanced [1k\]: same diff
]
;B[fq]C[Capsule [3d\]: goat sea?
Advanced [1k\]: :P
]
;W[gr]C[Over9k [5k\]: nice
pemula20K [11k?\]: does pro need to think ?
Shana [3d\]: sea of goats
GameFAQs [3d\]: goat se?
apachai31k [-\]: painfull
Over9k [5k\]: go at sea?
Miria [1d\]: yeah.. f5 = miai
Capsule [3d\]: you bad person GameFAQs!
Miria [1d\]: i mean
pemula20K [11k?\]: F5 small?
SilentOne [7k\]: no, el goat no se
Miria [1d\]: f4 = dame
]
;B[fo]
;W[eo]
;B[ep]
;W[fr]C[pemula20K [11k?\]: E8
GameFAQs [3d\]: SE doesn't even work for humans- I suppose goats shouldn't get their count from it. You're right, Capsule- I'm sorry.
USGO1 [-\]: black is now in byo-yomi
charkysan [5k\]: w read out how to connect if b did this, or he wouldn't have l2 earlier
apachai31k [-\]: thought w would resign after this
]
;B[re]
;W[rf]C[Musketeer [3d\]: two black groups connected
paar [4k\]: how fast byo-yomi?
Soromon [1d\]: k18!
]
;B[qe]C[GameFAQs [3d\]: Black two prisoners
GameFAQs [3d\]: White zero
GameFAQs [3d\]: It does look grim.
charkysan [5k\]: why should w resign?  for an amateur to play some challenging moves against a 7p is a privilege
kyuboy [9k\]: looks like black goingto win
yoyoma [1d\]: R15 is better than T16?
Soromon [1d\]: k18 then a16
kyuboy [9k\]: if he keeps getting sente
Violet [2d\]: it's a close game izzit
yoyoma [1d\]: don't get it
Miria [1d\]: i hope game ends a jigo
csgo [?\]: time for w e14
Advanced [1k\]: a16
charkysan [5k\]: winning isn't the goal when you are playing a 7p, tho you still try your best to win, i suppose
]
;W[se]
;B[pf]C[Miria [1d\]: bblack a13 = life..
TheVoid [4d\]: no black feels like he will win 
]
;W[pg]C[Advanced [1k\]: nah
]
;B[pe]C[Grimalkin [3k\]: it is a priilege charky, but this is a very competitive tournament with lots of strong players
Advanced [1k\]: im pretty sure he wants to win
Farseeing [6k?\]: o.o not with the game this close
Grimalkin [3k\]: it's more about getting rest while you can
Soromon [1d\]: t17 s18 ko?
Miria [1d\]: wait... nevermind
Miria [1d\]: a16 is miai
]
;W[qg]C[Soromon [1d\]: or save for later
]
;B[jb]C[Musketeer [3d\]: white's lead disappeared
GameFAQs [3d\]: W A13, B what?
Soromon [1d\]: finally
charkysan [5k\]: you can expect a 7p to make a lot of points in the endgame, but that isn't a reason to resign
Grimalkin [3k\]: if the game is beyond saving, it's not about "challenging" the pro.  it's about letting both players relax while they can
]
;W[ib]C[SilentOne [7k\]: e14?
]
;B[bi]C[mentat [3k?\]: a13 is nothing
mentat [3k?\]: a19 is dangerous
]
;W[ai]C[GameFAQs [3d\]: Whichever.
apachai31k [-\]: a19 is always dangerous
]
;B[ag]
;W[ah]C[Shana [3d\]: mentat what the heck r u talking about
Advanced [1k\]: a16?
Soromon [1d\]: very good for black - now b10 and top left is safe
charkysan [5k\]: e11 
kyuboy [9k\]: is it sente?
]
;B[ad]C[Advanced [1k\]: roar!
Musketeer [3d\]: b's group safe
]
;W[ba]C[Musketeer [3d\]: in sente
Soromon [1d\]: if white b10 then black c18
kyuboy [9k\]: find all sente moves
]
;B[ia]
;W[ha]
;B[ja]C[kyuboy [9k\]: thats how jaing ming jiu wins
Capsule [3d\]: thats how most people win
kyuboy [9k\]: :O
Shana [3d\]: not really
Miria [1d\]: soromon wrong
Capsule [3d\]: Shana, hush.
kyuboy [9k\]: jiang ming jiu is wining by 1!!!
kyuboy [9k\]: :O
Advanced [1k\]: n2
Musketeer [3d\]: H17
apachai31k [-\]: funny se
Advanced [1k\]: should be very urgent
Shana [3d\]: most people win by making their opponent resign >=\]
Miria [1d\]: g13 is under presure
paar [4k\]: where w go with e13 group?
Capsule [3d\]: oicwutudidthar
santiago [-\]: sente is over-rated
Shana [3d\]: nu uh
kyuboy [9k\]: nooo
]
;W[gb]C[santiago [-\]: a good gote is key to win too
Soromon [1d\]: n2
Shana [3d\]: if its over-rated then why do kyus never play it?
kyuboy [9k\]: >:D its the ultimate killer
Soromon [1d\]: n2 gote gote go~~~
santiago [-\]: because they are kyus
pogomo [15k?\]: what is sente
]
;B[lf]C[Capsule [3d\]: the opposite of gote
Mike [9k\]: lulz
pogomo [15k?\]: what is gote
miniangel [11k\]: u all count by yourself?
Mike [9k\]: what is go?
Capsule [3d\]: the opposite of sente
Shana [3d\]: sente=tea gote=well... goat
pogomo [15k?\]: exept opposite of sente
Capsule [3d\]: !!
kyuboy [9k\]: wow
]
;W[bl]C[kyuboy [9k\]: se says
pogomo [15k?\]: darnit
kyuboy [9k\]: black plus 10
kyuboy [9k\]: wowies
]
;B[bk]
;W[ak]C[Shana [3d\]: actually, se says "learn to count"
]
;B[am]C[TheVoid [4d\]: eying the cut at h13?
kyuboy [9k\]: :/
Capsule [3d\]: sente is "to take the initiative pogomo"
acellist1 [5k\]: gote=move that does not require a response
Miria [1d\]: SE says, bottom = seki
Advanced [1k\]: tesujiddd
katori15 [4k\]: alot of people mix sente with kikashi
apachai31k [-\]: b wants both t17 and n2 :/
gogobob [2k\]:  
Advanced [1k\]: whats kikashi?
charkysan [5k\]: d11 
odbira [3k\]: sen te is first hand
trebleclef [4k\]: h13 looks good
starshine [5d\]: in fact every move require a response
Stormer [2k\]: do we have the standings online anywhere to look at?
Hylebos [4k\]: Starshine, not if you pass.
Hylebos [4k\]: Or escape.
Capsule [3d\]: hi starshine, did you enjoy seattle? =)
]
;W[mg]C[katori15 [4k\]: kikashi is a forving move which can give the player sente
SunnyD [3d\]: kashi makes cereal, part of breakfast like juice
Advanced [1k\]: can give?
santiago [-\]: e3 for black is sente for example, but it's also a bad move
]
;B[ii]C[coolazn [5k\]: How much time is left for both players, USGO1?
TanGeng [1d?\]: how is e3 sente?
Mike [9k\]: w e2 makes e3 gote? ;P
USGO1 [-\]: can't talk now
SilentOne [7k\]: sacrifice in sente
charkysan [5k\]: now finally w has to deal with h13 cut
katori15 [4k\]: sente only come after a gote
coolazn [5k\]: then can you type?
Advanced [1k\]: i predict final score to be
Advanced [1k\]: b + 3.5
hollywood [3k\]: usgo1 has ever talk?
Hylebos [4k\]: Yes Hollywood.
peteg [3k\]: yep, black in byo-yome
peteg [3k\]: yomi
]
;W[ge]C[santiago [-\]: ok, bad example
]
;B[fe]C[SilentOne [7k\]: I say w +5
Hylebos [4k\]: It is hard to talk and watch the game like a hawk at the same time.
Over9k [5k\]: black will win
Hylebos [4k\]: especially when they start blitzing.
Hylebos [4k\]: Gets very hard to keep up.
Soromon [1d\]: w bend at k13?
Over9k [5k\]: he believes in the heart of the stones
isoparm [3k\]: j 13.
SilentOne [7k\]: yugigo?
Capsule [3d\]: it's a trap stone!
santiago [-\]: how about this? pushing a bamboo joint is sente and bad
Azlaz [3k\]: h11 works as defence against h13 cut
GreatPanda [11k\]: confusing kikashi with sente?
Hylebos [4k\]: Enough about children's card game.
Mike [9k\]: well more like ajikeshi i think
katori15 [4k\]: USGO1 [-\]: can't talk now @ move 165
SilentOne [7k\]: yeah he is
TanGeng [1d?\]: it's a ko threat unless you need those liberties
]
;W[hi]
;B[ih]C[Mike [9k\]: whats the diff between ajikeshi and a ko threat?
krakengo [1k\]: maybe territory is overrated
SilentOne [7k\]: k14
Miria [1d\]: aji means potential
isoparm [3k\]: aji keshi is erasing influence, or something.
Azlaz [3k\]:  ajikeshi is removing aji
hollywood [3k\]: k14?
krakengo [1k\]: any moves incurs some aji keshi
Mike [9k\]: well ko threats remove aji right?
]
;W[ej]C[Farseeing [6k?\]: like playing a ko threat which removes 2 threats
Over9k [5k\]: yea
Stormer [2k\]: generally you dont want to play ko threats that lose points,  playing a ko threat that was also aji-keshi woudl be sort of bad
Farseeing [6k?\]: when you you didn't have to
Hylebos [4k\]: How do you pronounce Aji?
TanGeng [1d?\]: in theory
santiago [-\]: ko threats activates aji
Hylebos [4k\]: I've always wondered...
]
;B[gk]C[fluffy [3k\]: ah jee
Miria [1d\]: ko threats can be gote threats 
SilentOne [7k\]: ah-jee
Capsule [3d\]: ay-jay
Trevoke [11k?\]: ah-djih
Hylebos [4k\]: That simple?  
]
;W[hk]C[SilentOne [7k\]: yup
aussiemate [7k\]: hi fluffy
Miria [1d\]: lol apsule
hollywood [3k\]: ah gji
Miria [1d\]: capsule*
odbira [3k\]: mackerel!
fluffy [3k\]: hi
]
;B[hl]C[fluffy [3k\]: enjoying the game aussie?
]
;W[di]C[csgo [?\]: d11 seems ok
charkysan [5k\]: f9 
krakengo [1k\]: bad aggios, i overpayed... man 
Miria [1d\]: f10 better
Hylebos [4k\]: T19 getting big.
Gay [4d\]: t19 is sente for w
SilentOne [7k\]: t1 bigger
]
;B[hh]
;W[gh]C[kyuboy [9k\]: guys
kyuboy [9k\]: stop kidding
Hylebos [4k\]: Wrong direction of play Silentone.
SilentOne [7k\]: typo, hy - s1
paar [4k\]: w made up some pts here
Molly [9k?\]: S1 is always the answer
kyuboy [9k\]: so did black
kyuboy [9k\]: if he gets sente
USGO1 [-\]: black has 4 periods left
Musketeer [3d\]: white managed to gain a few points here
SilentOne [7k\]: ouch
paar [4k\]: w going to jump b's monkey
]
;B[hg]C[Johnny5 [7k\]: 4 periods left, what does that mean?
charkysan [5k\]: i don't understand why silly and irrelevant comments couldn't be taken to a chat room during a 7p game
Trevoke [11k?\]: Michael Jackson is not Black
SilentOne [7k\]: all this month?
Mike [9k\]: byo yomi @johnny
Molly [9k?\]: 4 byo-yomi's
GreatPanda [11k\]: byoyomi time periods
Hylebos [4k\]: Charkysan, because the serious stuff is happening in the USGO15 game.
Trevoke [11k?\]: (sorry, bad joke regarding Black's Monkey)
Johnny5 [7k\]: okay, I see now
Over9k [5k\]: usgo15 stopped
Over9k [5k\]: like an hour ago
Hylebos [4k\]: Oh.
csgo [?\]: f9
Musketeer [3d\]: p1 not a sente monkey jump
Mike [9k\]: usgo15 stil going, just not commentary
Johnny5 [7k\]: anyone know the result of the 9p game and if it will be available for download from usgo.org?
kyuboy [9k\]: g10?
kyuboy [9k\]: for black
Soromon [1d\]: o1 a better jump for keeping sente
Over9k [5k\]: the 9p game is still going
Mike [9k\]: is the 7d ranking that w has the same as KGS 7d?
charkysan [5k\]: f9 
Over9k [5k\]: no
Mike [9k\]: about how does it compare?
netslayr [10k?\]: no way
Hylebos [4k\]: White is 7d AGA
]
;W[sc]C[kyuboy [9k\]: ming jiu is 7p world wide
Soromon [1d\]: t17!
kyuboy [9k\]: MWAHAHAH
gusset [?\]: AGA has 7d ceiling
Soromon [1d\]: wooo!
Mike [9k\]: how does AGA compare to KGS ranking?
]
;B[qd]
;W[sd]C[kyuboy [9k\]: not much
]
;B[sb]
;W[sf]C[SilentOne [7k\]: mike, how does your age compare to your rank?
Hylebos [4k\]: Depends on a variety of factors mike.
kyuboy [9k\]: o.oooooo
yoyoma [1d\]: It's pretty close
GreatPanda [11k\]: it doesn't matter, when you hit the ceiling, it becomes chaotic
Molly [9k?\]: mine is the same (age, rank)
yoyoma [1d\]: http://senseis.xmp.net/?RankWorldwideComparison
Johnny5 [7k\]: Why would AGA cap at 7d, that seems kind of dumb
Mike [9k\]: thanks yoyoma
]
;B[he]C[SilentOne [7k\]: cuz it's lucky
paar [4k\]: keeps ratings from creeping up
]
;W[jc]C[Hylebos [4k\]: Cuz thats what everyone else does Johnny.
Analysis [1k\]: Juyong is Meatlover on kgs
]
;B[lb]C[Musketeer [3d\]: white looking good
kyuboy [9k\]: whoa O.O
Hylebos [4k\]: Ratings go beyond 7.000 though.
Johnny5 [7k\]: Then why are there 9d elsewhere?
]
;W[os]C[SilentOne [7k\]: rating, not rank
]
;B[ps]C[Hylebos [4k\]: Honorary Title Johnny.
Molly [9k?\]: I thought AGA had ratings, not rankings
]
;W[ms]
;B[or]C[Gizensha [1d?\]: there isn't
Johnny5 [7k\]: That kind of sucks  D:>
Gizensha [1d?\]: 9 dan traditionaly reserved for top pros
kyuboy [9k\]: :D
Musketeer [3d\]: tenuki here
]
;W[je]C[Hylebos [4k\]: Of cource then there is judan...
Hylebos [4k\]: But thats a different can of worms.
charkysan [5k\]: this is the endgame sequence w was aiming at when he played l2 a long time ago
Johnny5 [7k\]: ah, then that means I just have to become a top pro someday  >:)
paar [4k\]: AGA only goes to 9uki
]
;B[qk]C[kyuboy [9k\]: japen has 10th dan
kyuboy [9k\]: weird :o
]
;W[rj]C[Gizensha [1d?\]: the 10 dan is only a title
kyuboy [9k\]: :O
Gizensha [1d?\]: when you lose the title you are again "lowly" 9 dan
dima [2d\]: `only' sounds nice
Miria [1d\]: a2 big 
santiago [-\]: 9d is only a title too
USGO1 [-\]: fire drill in the building ?
USGO1 [-\]: be back...
Over9k [5k\]: lol
revival [2d\]: ??
blovetopia [6k\]: snap
Soromon [1d\]: j14 or a2?
Trevoke [11k?\]: 10th dan, or judan, is a title - that only one person can hold. In martial arts, 10d is the grandmaster of the style, to give you an idea..
Hylebos [4k\]: Waht?
Molly [9k?\]: I dont hear anything
Johnny5 [7k\]: are you kidding me?
Hylebos [4k\]: Fire drill?
Johnny5 [7k\]: lol
Gizensha [1d?\]: you don't lose 9 dan once you gain it
mrkibbles [1d?\]: lmao
katori15 [4k\]: same system for martial arts black belt are called dans
Johnny5 [7k\]: That's kind of a sucky time for a fire drill
Grimalkin [3k\]: 9d is not a title
NoKnott [-\]: Game is suspended, they smell gas in building
GreatPanda [11k\]: what kind of buildng is this housed in?
SunnyD [3d\]: Fire tesuji
ludwig [8k?\]: lol
Hylebos [4k\]: 7d Time Tesuji.
Molly [9k?\]: sort of alarming!
SilentOne [7k\]: nice...
Mike [9k\]: hahaha
fluffy [3k\]: ninjitsu, not tesuji
revival [2d\]: ugh wasnt there a similar problem last year
odbira [3k\]: local university building
Johnny5 [7k\]: Mingjiu needs to stop using the fart tesuji
Johnny5 [7k\]: >_>
krakengo [1k\]: don't blow up please
Soromon [1d\]: omg escapers
xcess [1d\]: ninjutsu actually
SilentOne [7k\]: b should have made one more move, to give the am the think time...
fluffy [3k\]: mingjiu covered his fart sound with stone slamming sound
GreatPanda [11k\]: ah yeah, university buildings 
Johnny5 [7k\]: lol
Gizensha [1d?\]: why use gas o_o
Akagi316 [7k\]: gas can be quite distracting
Shana [3d\]: most deadly/effective weapon
kyuboy [9k\]: :OOOOOOOOOO
wuwei [5k\]: pfffrrrt - Clack!
kyuboy [9k\]: some things going wrong
fluffy [3k\]: when he felt a big fart coming he slammed the stone harder
krakengo [1k\]: not that effective if you can smell it
kyuboy [9k\]: people stay clam ....
kyuboy [9k\]: :P
Johnny5 [7k\]: lol @ fluffy's comment
fluffy [3k\]: ;D
kyuboy [9k\]: if 
gusset [?\]: lol @ kyuboy
kyuboy [9k\]: what?
Molly [9k?\]: I'm clam
kyuboy [9k\]: if jaing ming jiu dies
kyuboy [9k\]: who teaches me?
kyuboy [9k\]: huh>?
Shana [3d\]: me?
Shana [3d\]: xD
gusset [?\]: clam up unless about the game.
kyuboy [9k\]: never -.-
Shana [3d\]: then get a new teacher
Johnny5 [7k\]: Yes sir!
kyuboy [9k\]: (>._.)>
Johnny5 [7k\]: Everyone hush
phalanx [2k\]: endgame will determine winner.. its very close
kyuboy [9k\]: <(._.<)
kyuboy [9k\]: usgoa is back
kyuboy [9k\]: yay!
kryft [4k\]: Did Mingjiu Jiang win his earlier game?
GreatPanda [11k\]: yes
krakengo [1k\]: *game suspened, please keep the topic to gas*
krakengo [1k\]: man
kyuboy [9k\]: lol
Johnny5 [7k\]: xD
acellist1 [5k\]: lol
Mike [9k\]: haha
Soromon [1d\]: not that close - if juyong has been counting it will be B+resign
NoKnott [-\]: I would like to remind folks who want to make rude comments, your comment stays in this kibitz record forever, others will be reading it
Analysis [1k\]: really? soromon I count it pretty close
Gizensha [1d?\]: and?
Xanwu [1d\]: w ahead I thinkt
Johnny5 [7k\]: They can edit your comments out if they find them offensive
ludwig [8k?\]: well, this still doesn't beat the nuclear tesuji in 1945
Mike [9k\]: yay, i'm a part of history :D
Soromon [1d\]: black will make points in the center, and white will have to make eyes on the left
kyuboy [9k\]: :o
duan [2d\]: aren't b and w close to even on the board?
krakengo [1k\]: rude people are beyond that, nono
Johnny5 [7k\]: That's like saying if you flash the camera on the evening news, everyone will see your nudity who is watching
peteg [3k\]: not if I save it first...
Suicide [8k\]: did I really see someone say 'ninjutsu'??
GreatPanda [11k\]: not quite
kyuboy [9k\]: <> "CLACK"
Xanwu [1d\]: I agree duan
kyuboy [9k\]: who like my go stone
kyuboy [9k\]: :D
fly [1k\]: fire drill?
Tsuijin [1d\]: so why is USGO1 still there
Molly [9k?\]: I hope wms is safely outside the building
krakengo [1k\]: you can kill yourself if that's a problem =p
kyuboy [9k\]: he just came back
NoKnott [-\]: not drill, scribes and players left the building, evacuated.
Suicide [8k\]: krakengo, not appropriate...
kyuboy [9k\]: :O
Johnny5 [7k\]: We had fire drills in basic training, they really sucked
peteg [3k\]: computer still on
krakengo [1k\]: bibikun =p
Trevoke [11k?\]: Kyuboy - please cool it? It's not your responsibility to keep the chat going.
Soromon [1d\]: i suppose black owes a move at s18, but white owes at c18
duan [2d\]: takemiya seemed to think the turning point was w a17
Hagios [4k\]: Takemiya was commenting on this game?
Capsule [3d\]: someone overheard wms saying CGoban 4.0 would be pay-only server and decided to play the revenge card.
Trevoke [11k?\]: When I left the building 20 minutes ago they had security and maintenance on the 'natural gas smell' problem.
Johnny5 [7k\]: xD
krakengo [1k\]: why would i stay up to 4am
Analysis [1k\]: I count white 142
krakengo [1k\]: had to watch lord of the rings !
Molly [9k?\]: where are you now, trevoke?
Hoole3 [9k\]: wow
Hoole3 [9k\]: who is ahead?
kayzac [2k\]: .
Trevoke [11k?\]: Hagios : Takemiya-sensei walked in to the room where Maeda-sensei was doing commentary and started commenting on it before realizing what game it was..
Trevoke [11k?\]: I am now in the Ondine dorm
santiago [-\]: hehe, i remembered the sente definition
Hoole3 [9k\]: who is where the action is?
Molly [9k?\]: Broadway is nicer
Billybones [8k\]: they evacuated the building
Hoole3 [9k\]: which one?
krakengo [1k\]: everyone out
Rakeliem [1k\]: why
Billybones [8k\]: gas leak
Hagios [4k\]: Trevoke: Ah, thank you.
Mike [9k\]: they can just come play on kgs, that would be best
Rakeliem [1k\]: wow
krakengo [1k\]: terrorists
Rakeliem [1k\]: omg
santiago [-\]: a move is sente if it's continuation is worth more than double the gote answer
Capsule [3d\]: guys, the gas drill applies to the server too, we have to evacuate too!
Trevoke [11k?\]: Molly : Well, I do not mind being closer to the Smith Center :) But thank you for letting me know, wanna invite me in and show me? :)
chorba [8k\]: who is win?
Johnny5 [7k\]: xD
Rakeliem [1k\]: how long has it been without a move?
Mike [9k\]: 3 days?
Rakeliem [1k\]: or commentary
Shana [3d\]: since they left the building
Rakeliem [1k\]: which was./..
Rakeliem [1k\]: how long ago
Mike [9k\]: 3 days
Trevoke [11k?\]: Mingjiu Jian was in Byo-Yomi wasn't he
Iamblkguy [6d\]: hi
Samael [2d?\]: lol
Capsule [3d\]: did they pause the clock?
krakengo [1k\]: 10+ minutes
Analysis [1k\]: I count white at 142 + 8 komi = 150 and black 148
trebleclef [4k\]: i think w leading
Trevoke [11k?\]: Coming back is going to suck
krakengo [1k\]: 7am now
Mike [9k\]: no, analysis you miscounted somewhere, B+57, i believe the w group at E13 is dead
Mike [9k\]: ;P
kyuboy [9k\]: mike im bored
kyuboy [9k\]: lets play
kyuboy [9k\]: :)
Shana [3d\]: i bet somebody set off the fire alarm cuz he was losing and he can move the stones this way
Molly [9k?\]: SE is always right
kyuboy [9k\]: freegame
Hoole3 [9k\]: wait how can you go 3 days without making a move?
Capsule [3d\]: you caught me red-handed Shana
Johnny5 [7k\]: why is E13 dead?
Mike [9k\]: actually kyu, imma be teaching
Analysis [1k\]: the problem with my count is that i didn't take into consideration the space around l12
Johnny5 [7k\]: It's there a way to keep it alive
Suicide [8k\]: e12=life
Analysis [1k\]: (i'm not good at counting area scoring)
Trevoke [11k?\]: E13 dead because the Score Estimator says so .. That's the only reason.
Shana [3d\]: are u alive?
kyuboy [9k\]: :o
kyuboy [9k\]: hey mike
Capsule [3d\]: no
krakengo [1k\]: ...
kyuboy [9k\]: can i help?
Capsule [3d\]: I'm dead.
Shana [3d\]: u dont even exist on the SE... u dont exist
Rakeliem [1k\]: I am bored
krakengo [1k\]: are you conscious ?
soccer [6k\]: if e13 was dead then w wud have resigned
Johnny5 [7k\]: He could threaten or connect by playing F9 couldn't he?
Hoole3 [9k\]: who is ahead?!
Analysis [1k\]: I think it's a very close game, it's black's move and I think black can gain at least 5 points somewhere with it, so it's going to be neck and neck
Johnny5 [7k\]: What do you guys think of F(?
Trevoke [11k?\]: Hoole3 : You have time. Count.
Rakeliem [1k\]: black is ahead
Akagi316 [7k\]: b is ahead
Johnny5 [7k\]: f9*
Soromon [1d\]: black owes s18 tho
Over9k [5k\]: where are the snowdens of yesteryear?
Analysis [1k\]: I count white up 2 points right now
Soromon [1d\]: i'm cold... i'm cold
Rakeliem [1k\]: melted
Johnny5 [7k\]: D:>
Over9k [5k\]: there there
acellist1 [5k\]: maybe someone having gasoline fight in the basement
Suicide [8k\]: e12 g10 miai?
Shana [3d\]: u sure its not just natural gas?
TanGeng [1d?\]: has Jiang made a move yet?
Molly [9k?\]: I blame those darn kids in the youth room -- and their dog
TanGeng [1d?\]: what's going on?
Tsuijin [1d\]: are the players back yet?
Trevoke [11k?\]: Actually the youth room is what smelt the strongest of natural gas
Rakeliem [1k\]: what is the natural gas used for anyways
Johnny5 [7k\]: Does anyone think F9 is a worthwhile move?  to me it seems to save w no problem
TanGeng [1d?\]: did something interrupt the match?
Over9k [5k\]: yea
TanGeng [1d?\]: natural gas?
TanGeng [1d?\]: wtf
Shana [3d\]: yeah
GreatPanda [11k\]: w is alive there regardless
soccer [6k\]: food prep needs natural gas 2 power the stuff
Johnny5 [7k\]: okay
Trevoke [11k?\]: Well.. It -is- Aramark, not that I want to badmouth anybody.
BOGGLE11: didn't black have 5 mins like a half hour ago?
Rakeliem [1k\]: is propane a natural gas?
Suicide [8k\]: tangeng - fire drill
Johnny5 [7k\]: I still like f9 though >_<
Shana [3d\]: meh im going to bed... this is boring
porkdog [7k\]: natural gas = methane
Over9k [5k\]: propane is an organic compound
Rakeliem [1k\]: me too
Rakeliem [1k\]: im tired
Tsuijin [1d\]: are the clocks still running?
Johnny5 [7k\]: I doubt they are
Hoole3 [9k\]: everything will blow up if someone lights a match
Molly [9k?\]: I blame the "Healthy Asian Foods" cart across from the Union
krakengo [1k\]: have to check mangjiu]
;B[fj]C[TanGeng [1d?\]: yeah
USGO1 [-\]: black actually has 4 periods byo yomi
USGO1 [-\]: not 4 minutes
]
;W[ek]
;B[fl]
;W[fi]
;B[el]C[SadShape [1k\]: 7+6+2+16+9 for black : 40+
]
;W[eh]
;B[rb]C[lubricated [5k\]: whoever gets the most points in l13 area wins
Soromon [1d\]: white m16 now?
vis [1d\]: there wont be points in l13 area probably
]
;W[if]
;B[gd]C[lubricated [5k\]: w can get some threatening m16
gougou [1d\]: maybe l12
SadShape [1k\]: 13+3+11+15+5+ komi for white: 47+ komi
Soromon [1d\]: yes probably white threatens m16 by playing l12 or m12
lubricated [5k\]: yes shape i had about the same
SadShape [1k\]: looks like white is ahead
]
;W[aq]C[lubricated [5k\]: it looks like a 1 pointer to be
Hanne [6k\]: how did Bi Jang play?
TanGeng [1d?\]: what does?
Over9k [5k\]: the game
lubricated [5k\]: the game -_-
TanGeng [1d?\]: ahh
xedover [7k?\]: game results : http://www.usgo.org/congress/2008/
Hanne [6k\]: thx
]
;B[lg]C[USGO1 [-\]: black now has 3 periods left
SadShape [1k\]: looks like white + 10
SadShape [1k\]: Black must make a lot of point in the centers
Wok [1k\]: awsome game
]
;W[lh]
;B[kh]C[Hanne [6k\]: seems that site does not have all round three results yet ..  does anyone know if bi jang won nor lost?
]
;W[li]C[xedover [7k?\]: in the Open?
Hanne [6k\]: yes
Hanne [6k\]: a few hours ago
Over9k [5k\]: bi jang lost
Over9k [5k\]: to the 7p
]
;B[jd]C[Hanne [6k\]: i thought so
Hanne [6k\]: where can i get the game record?
tianyake [3d\]: w leads
yoyoma [1d\]: Hanne:  http://www.usgo.org/naim/band-matrix/42
Hanne [6k\]: )ver9k: it was 8p i thought
SadShape [1k\]: perhaps here black gain something(2 stone
USGO1 [-\]: white has 10 minutes left
Pouty12k: SE says jigo !
Insight [9k\]: what could white be doing right now?  counting?
Miria [1d\]: black won
USGO1 [-\]: he's jittering the table
Over9k [5k\]: lol
mukluk [6k\]: jittering?
kyuboy [9k\]: hey lubricated
Insight [9k\]: I dont know what jittering the table means
kyuboy [9k\]: who won the game this morning
SadShape [1k\]: noway black won miria, but here black gain a lot of point
]
;W[id]
;B[ie]
;W[hd]C[kyuboy [9k\]: usgo1 did mingjiu win the game against the 3p?
]
;B[ge]C[Over9k [5k\]: ming jiu lost to a 3p
kyuboy [9k\]: dang :/
]
;W[kd]
;B[jf]C[apachai31k [-\]: nice
SadShape [1k\]: time to recount...
Wok [1k\]: big
Hanne [6k\]: USGO1: congratulations on excellent internet coverage
kyuboy [9k\]: usgo1
kyuboy [9k\]: what happened last night?
kyuboy [9k\]: O_O
Over9k [5k\]: gas leak
kyuboy [9k\]: :O
USGO1 [-\]: thank you.  All thanks to the AGA E-journal team.
Wok [1k\]: seems that black leads at least
xedover [7k?\]: had to evacuate the building
Dragonette [6k\]: they shouldn't have had beans for dinner
kyuboy [9k\]: lol
]
;W[ki]C[gougou [1d\]: a8
SadShape [1k\]: 47 for black, 47+ komi for white ( how big is the komi?
Over9k [5k\]: 8
USGO1 [-\]: black is down to 2 periods of byo yomi
acellist1 [5k\]: the gas jokes may be crude, but I couldn't help laughing at every one
SadShape [1k\]: thx then white + around 8
]
;B[ji]C[Over9k [5k\]: lol snapback
vg674 [15k\]: l14?
Javaness [-\]: is Guojuan at congress?
DonValley [4d\]: yes
DonValley [4d\]: with the other european pro female
]
;W[kf]C[Dragonette [6k\]: this month is too exciting
]
;B[jg]
;W[ke]C[Javaness [-\]: diana kozsegi?
apachai31k [-\]: a8
xedover [7k?\]: :)
xedover [7k?\]: Jennie Shen
]
;B[hb]C[Dragonette [6k\]: Go congress, PGA Tour, Olympics, the finals of all the NBC reality game shows...
Javaness [-\]: I thought she was american
]
;W[hc]C[apachai31k [-\]: b under time pressure huh
xedover [7k?\]: I probably have the names mixed up
xedover [7k?\]: there a link on the website
]
;B[jq]
;W[ir]C[Alenchon [6k\]: Dragonette needs a soft easy chair to rest in for all that activity
Swordfish7 [5d\]: how did mingjiu do last game?
Over9k [5k\]: he lost
Swordfish7 [5d\]: aganist the 3p?
Dragonette [6k\]: I have cats, a couch, a big TV, and 18 bags of microwavable popcorn.
Over9k [5k\]: yea
krakengo [1d\]: he got killed
Over9k [5k\]: resigned after his group got totaled
]
;B[ld]C[Swordfish7 [5d\]: looks like hes losing this one too
Insight [9k\]: Mingjiu jiang just did an undo!
Swordfish7 [5d\]: maybe worn out from all these games
]
;W[eq]
;B[fp]C[Swordfish7 [5d\]: too many games at too little time
fairgo1 [10k\]: how much is byo-mi?
]
;W[al]
;B[cl]C[Over9k [5k\]: 1 minute i think
]
;W[aj]
;B[ns]
;W[mr]
;B[sn]C[fairgo1 [10k\]: k
mlnmiles [1d\]: hmm, w slightly ahead, no?
apachai31k [-\]: ko for the game 
mlnmiles [1d\]: like +3
krakengo [1d\]: b connects
Over9k [5k\]: ko for the fate of the universe?
]
;W[fn]C[Advanced [1k\]: thats biggest point
apachai31k [-\]: ho
Swordfish7 [5d\]: ko too dangerous for white
]
;B[gn]
;W[fm]C[Advanced [1k\]: w wins
]
;B[gm]C[silver2k4 [-\]: one group for b
]
;W[fk]
;B[gj]
;W[gi]
;B[gl]C[Richdad [5d\]: i cant help feeling for black if he loses. He is a grown man having to player 3 important games in one day
rzhaotr: lol
gougou [1d\]: well white is not exactly a baby!
rzhaotr: he only had to play the endgame of this game
Asalion [-\]: Is Juyong Koh only 7d ??
Advanced [1k\]: e16
mukluk [6k\]: I'll have to run that through the joke computer
lifeisgood [-\]: P7?
]
;W[kj]C[krakengo [1d\]: is rank important
]
;B[rm]C[Over9k [5k\]: only if it's over 9000
]
;W[om]C[ennuistic [1k\]: black 44 + captures?
Bedouks [19k\]: lololol over9k
Advanced [1k\]: that was weak
]
;B[pj]
;W[sl]C[Advanced [1k\]: b should q7
Advanced [1k\]: :D
Over9k [5k\]: lol
Over9k [5k\]: 1pt!
xedover [7k?\]: Juyong has a 7.9 aga rating, but he is Canadian, so that info may be out of date
mlnmiles [1d\]: Ennuistic, sth like that, w has about 42
TanGeng [1d?\]: 1pt sent
Swordfish7 [5d\]: se is overcounting white for a few pts
Over9k [5k\]: sente though
Swordfish7 [5d\]: so probably very close
]
;B[ar]
;W[as]C[Southpoint [-\]: ali check private chat
ennuistic [1k\]: white 45 + captures + komi
Over9k [5k\]: timesuji
Advanced [1k\]: what was the point of that
ennuistic [1k\]: endgame is more favorable for black
BanziC [2k?\]: more ko threats
Hagios [4k\]: b1 reduces one point
Advanced [1k\]: oh wait hm
Alenchon [6k\]: d2 weaker
ennuistic [1k\]: o15 is great
]
;B[ed]
;W[ec]C[Swordfish7 [5d\]: also overcounting black a little
USGO1 [-\]: last 2 black moves made on one byo yomi period...
Advanced [1k\]: e14?
Southpoint [-\]: עלי תבדוק את הצט הפרטי
Over9k [5k\]: p15 
USGO1 [-\]: he forgot to hit his clock, and almost lost another
]
;B[oe]C[ennuistic [1k\]: this move i don't like
]
;W[nf]C[Dragonette [6k\]: my dad used to do that playing with me
]
;B[sk]
;W[sj]C[USGO1 [-\]: white has 5 minutes left
Dragonette [6k\]: I'd just sit there and wait while his clock went down
USGO1 [-\]: black 2 periods
lifeisgood [-\]: E14 hetter
Advanced [1k\]: q7
lifeisgood [-\]: better
pasky [1k\]: l9
ennuistic [1k\]: i think white wins.
Southpoint [-\]: ow
Southpoint [-\]: wow
]
;B[kk]C[Southpoint [-\]: this game is arleady 6 hours?
]
;W[ik]C[ketchup [5k\]: p5 still worth it
SadShape [1k\]: Always white + 8
Southpoint [-\]: how long time this game is?
USGO1 [-\]: Welcome to the 2008 North American Ing Masters (NAIM) Tournament! Thirty-two top players from North American are competing in the 5-round tournament for $10,000 in prizes. The top boards are being broadcast live by the American Go E-Journal; go news from around the world, free every week via email; sign up at www.usgo.org.  Time limits are 90 minutes basic time, 5 periods of 1 minute byo yomi
pasky [1k\]: 3.2 millenia
Richdad [5d\]: why p5?
Tsuijin [1d\]: they ate and slept right next to board
gougou [1d\]: w gets both d10 and a4 now
]
;B[kp]
;W[ko]
;B[pm]
;W[on]C[ketchup [5k\]: oh you dont need p5 duh
ketchup [5k\]: thanks richdad lol
Richdad [5d\]: it loses 1 threat
]
;B[kg]
;W[jd]C[ketchup [5k\]: yes
]
;B[ap]
;W[ef]C[Asalion [-\]: why is a 7d stronger than a 7p ??
]
;B[ee]C[Over9k [5k\]: d10 does gain a threat...
]
;W[ar]C[Richdad [5d\]: cuz he isnt
Advanced [1k\]: because hes a sand bagger
EeqMCsq [2k\]: 7p gunna win
ennuistic [1k\]: white won already.
EeqMCsq [2k\]: 7p going easy?
Over9k [5k\]: lol
ennuistic [1k\]: nothing to discuss
Advanced [1k\]: e10
SenNoRiku [2k?\]: ?
Southpoint [-\]: because there are problem with AGA system
]
;B[nr]C[Southpoint [-\]: this why
]
;W[jk]
;B[jl]C[BattousaiX [-\]: 7d-9d is pro skill 
Insight [9k\]: True... shouldnt a 7p give an amateur 7d 2 stones?
ketchup [5k\]: oh no! two groups now!
SenNoRiku [2k?\]: 7d is the equivalant to 1p
Richdad [5d\]: tell a 2d to play 50 games to a 1k, he will lose man
]
;W[nj]C[lubricated [5k\]: yah 7-9d is pro skill they just didn't pass the pro examx >.<
]
;B[ho]
;W[cj]
;B[bj]C[Swordfish7 [5d\]: no
]
;W[dj]C[Over9k [5k\]: nooo
]
;B[sm]
;W[sk]C[Swordfish7 [5d\]: pro much stronger then 7d
ennuistic [1k\]: congrats white
Francisco [3d\]: maybe
]
;B[ll]
;W[nk]C[mascaron [5k\]: how come komi is 8?
]
;B[nl]C[SenNoRiku [2k?\]: 7p is much stronger then 7d
Richdad [5d\]: really, i would rethink the whole ranking system just to end the endless comparison between amateur and pro
]
;W[cb]
;B[ac]
;W[aa]
;B[od]
;W[me]C[Dominas25 [9k?\]: 7d's have passed the pro exam though
]
;B[lj]C[SenNoRiku [2k?\]: In Go world
]
;W[ne]C[Southpoint [-\]: but an Active 7 P
]
;B[dk]
;W[ij]C[Southpoint [-\]: Ming isnt active
Insight [9k\]: maybe not that much stronger... amateurs are proving quite strong, but I do think 2 stones would be in order
SadShape [1k\]: w+5
Advanced [1k\]: over
lubricated [5k\]: im comparing a 1p not a 7p
SenNoRiku [2k?\]: They think every 2 points komi is handi
ShihChing [8k\]: Eliminate professional title -- same foolish name as any number of fake business men.
Asalion [-\]: got the 7d handi?
vavoysh [7k\]: skill isn't everythign to passin ghte exam
gougou [1d\]: GO JUYONG
vavoysh [7k\]: theres alot of stress involved
USGO1 [-\]: They have agreed game is finished.
Swordfish7 [5d\]: pro number doesnt mean anything
USGO1 [-\]: Now counting.
rs220675 [1k\]: can somebody confirm that a 7p is LOSING right now to a 7d? Really or is it a mistake?
USGO1 [-\]: These are Ing rules
huggy [4k\]: 4k also pro strength
Hagalaz [4k\]: 4k power!
lubricated [5k\]: yes
lubricated [5k\]: im almost there
Richdad [5d\]: w win well
idle [9k\]: i got pro strength too
pasky [1k\]: pro number marks achievements
lob: he's tired
idle [9k\]: in my ass
ennuistic [1k\]: stupid new zealand rules
idle [9k\]: ^^
BattousaiX [-\]: *ahem*
krakengo [1d\]: Takemiya was right
lob: hard day for mingjiu...
Sigilus [19k\]: All this banter about pro vs amateur, I agree with Richdad
krakengo [1d\]: mangjiu feel asleep during the middlegame
Tower [3d\]: 43+ komi white ?
ennuistic [1k\]: yes.
Tower [3d\]: oh plus stones
ennuistic [1k\]: black loses by 4 or 5
Tower [3d\]: 47
Richdad [5d\]: lol he did krakengo?
SadShape [1k\]: 49+ komi for white and 52 for black
SadShape [1k\]: w+5
krakengo [1d\]: metaphorically speaking
DonValley [4d\]: nz rules fun to count
Vash3G [-\]: they are using Ing rules
Ukasuhs [1k?\]: its aga rules not japanese
USGO1 [-\]: white wins by 5 pts.
Advanced [1k\]: either way w wins
Ukasuhs [1k?\]: oh ing
Hagalaz [4k\]: it's ing rules
DonValley [4d\]: nz and ing are same
DonValley [4d\]: wow
Hagalaz [4k\]: as he said multiple times
xedover [7k?\]: good game!!
Sampi [3k\]: nz is slightly different
gougou [1d\]: ALLRIGHT congrats juyong
tianyake [3d\]: poor mingjiu
kalisti [8k?\]: no, NZ allows suicide moves
USGO1 [-\]: Thank you all for watching.
DonValley [4d\]: thx
Ophelia [8k?\]: Thankyou USGO1
kalisti [8k?\]: also, ing specifies using exactly 180 stones per player
gougou [1d\]: juyong will be famous now
WithMyMind [5d?\]: Mingjiu won last round?
SadShape [1k\]: thanks you Usgo
USGO1 [-\]: Round 3 starts at 7pm PDT tonight.
tianyake [3d\]: who leads in us open?
indianayk [5d\]: thx, Dennis
krakengo [1d\]: thank you
krakengo [1d\]: gonna have to consolate mingjiu ?
lifeisgood [-\]: thanks Dennis
YangX [4d\]: thx
krakengo [1d\]: that is same time as yesterday ?
USGO1 [-\]: yes, same time as last night.
krakengo [1d\]: mmmh that makes 4am here ^^
USGO1 [-\]: Thank you and goodbye
krakengo [1d\]: i guess time to launch lord of the rings, chapter 2
krakengo [1d\]: should cover the few hours left
SadShape [1k\]: where are you krakengo?
idle [9k\]: lol
krakengo [1d\]: France here
SadShape [1k\]: oh alors c'est aussi 4 am pour moi
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